22 Jul 04
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Originally posted by no1marauderI think I would be inclined to put the bishop on b3 on move 32, then move the king to f3 and attack with g3. Not sure if it would win the game though!
After 1 e4 e4 2 Nf3 Nc6, 3 ..... a6 is the Morphy Defence; 3 .... Nf6 is the Berlin Defence both are defenses to the Ruy Lopez. The Morphy is by far more popular, but the Berlin is playable though cramped. For you aggressive ...[text shortened]... with correct play in the endgame I'd be interested to hear them.
Edit: sorry misread your post you wanted to know how black could win not white opps
23 Jul 04
Originally posted by seraphimvultureYou only play the Ruy Lopez when you want to . 1. .......c5, d6, e6, g6, Nf6, e5. 2. Nf3 Nf6. ect. will avoid the Ruy Lopez.
I don't see why anyone playing black would play in to the Ruy Lopez. I've seen very few Ruy Lopez games (played by professionals, anyway) that led black to a winning position. Everything I examine in the end of this opening is pure advantages for white. Damn that Ruy Lopez. You'd think he'd learn the friggin' Sicilian all ready! 😵
-Kev
24 Jul 04
Originally posted by no1marauderTrue,if white plays a 'system' black can do little to avoid it.Not the Réti though,'cause if black replies 1...,f5 you'll get a dutch opening.
Positional White openings like the Reti, Kings Indian Attack, English really can't be avoided although you might be able to avoid favored lines.
I doubt it's possible to avoid the KIA.And the english,well,that will transpose into something else anyway.Only if black plays 1....,c5 it stays in english waters,right?I'm not very familiar with these openings,are my statements somewhat correct?
Sir Lot.
24 Jul 04
Originally posted by SirLoseALotIf White avoids an early d4 and simply proceeds ahead with g3 and Bg2 he's still in the Reti, not the Dutch which is a defence to the Queen's pawn opening.
True,if white plays a 'system' black can do little to avoid it.Not the Réti though,'cause if black replies 1...,f5 you'll get a dutch opening.
I doubt it's possible to avoid the KIA.And the english,well,that will transpose into something else anyway.Only if black plays 1....,c5 it stays in english waters,right?I'm not very familiar with these openings,are my statements somewhat correct?
Sir Lot.
The English, like the Reti, has many transpositional possibilities; however, there are still distinct English lines whether Black plays 1 c5 1 e5 or 1 Nf6. The 1 c4 e5 are particulary interesting; essentially White is trying to play a Sicilian with colors reversed.
24 Jul 04
Originally posted by no1marauderYeah,but if black continues with Nf6,g6,Bg7 he will get a leningrad dutch from the moment white plays d4.If white refrains from d4 alltogether then it's still no Réti,but an unusual KIA.At least,that's what my database says.....
If White avoids an early d4 and simply proceeds ahead with g3 and Bg2 he's still in the Reti, not the Dutch which is a defence to the Queen's pawn opening.
The English, like the Reti, has many transpositional possibilities; however, there are still distinct English lines whether Black plays 1 c5 1 e5 or 1 Nf6. The 1 c4 e5 are particulary interesting; essentially White is trying to play a Sicilian with colors reversed.
Anyway,let's not bother with the names too much.It doesn't matter how it's called,if it earns you points,it's ok 🙂
26 Jul 04
Originally posted by SirLoseALotTo tell you the truth, what I generally rely on is an MCO 12 without a cover or a copyright page (I think it's mid 80's). In it, the King's Indian Attack is placed in the Reti Opening section as a variation. So probably it's been redefined since then as a separate system.
Yeah,but if black continues with Nf6,g6,Bg7 he will get a leningrad dutch from the moment white plays d4.If white refrains from d4 alltogether then it's still no Réti,but an unusual KIA.At least,that's what my database says.....
Anyway,let's not bother with the names too much.It doesn't matter how it's called,if it earns you points,it's ok 🙂
Whatever it is, I still don't really have a clue how to play against it!
29 Jul 04
"Yeah, but oftentimes they don't know that. They just think they're getting a free pawn."
And then succumb quickly (usually to e-file problems), trying to keep it. *You can't keep it* 🙂. Seriously though, seems to me, from what I read, that White gets only a very small edge at high levels with the Ruy if both players are well prepared... not really relevant to my play, but it explains why GMs are willing to take the Black side- at the highest levels, are people really playing to win with Black? It's nice at lower levels, cause there is a reason they used to call it "The Spanish Torture". Took many years to find adequate Black defenses... in OTB play, it's fun to see if your opponent can find them 🙂. I have two weapons... fear, and surprise... and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope... Make that three weapons- fear, surprise, and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope... and a good anti-Marshall system... drat...