See, this is what I like about chess forums!
There seems to be a rough correlation between a person's ranking and their assessment of this game. I'm not sure I would have offered a draw if I'd been playing someone ranked, say, 1700+. Evidently neither I nor my opponent could see far enough ahead to figure out white could get out of a corner.
I could also argue my opponent was feeling under pressure after letting me get this far anyway. I certainly don't think he/she expected my king's advance.
Originally posted by no1marauderYou must be looking at a different diagram than the one with mephisto and ragnorak... black doesn't have a very bad position.. ?
You obviously don't know much about chess. Mephisto moves are pretty much what Fritz4 came up with; but Black looks in more trouble than I remember. I still think my revised analysis is correct and White should not have accepted the draw. Ragnorak, what does Mephisto think? Would he have accepted the draw as White?
Originally posted by messplayerI assure you I'm looking at the same diagram. Black may be able to salvage a draw with exact play, but I still say practical chances favor White. And I see no winning chances for Black absent a blunder by White. Black's advanced passed pawn is forever stymied and White's bishop can support the advance of his King side pawns from right where he is. White's King is free and Black's is tied up. Big advantage: White.
You must be looking at a different diagram than the one with mephisto and ragnorak... black doesn't have a very bad position.. ?
I hate to say it but 2Bit was right. 😉
Although, in my defense, I did state that black had a great chance if white didn't play brilliantly. So, I guess we're both right. 😛 My d2 move was pretty poor as well, but I think it was a distinctly slippery slope at that stage anyway.
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Game 853569
Another vote for white, I played trough the game with Fritz 8. I gave white 5 secs and black 15 secs.
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "New game"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "8/7p/2rp4/4p3/4P3/1k4P1/p4P1P/R1BK4 w - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "56"]
1. Kd2 {26} Rc2+ {8} 2. Ke3 {9} h5 {10} 3. Kf3 {13} Rc3+ {15} 4. Kg2 {5} Rc4 {
15} 5. f3 {5} Rc2+ {15} 6. Kh3 {5} Rf2 {17} 7. f4 {5} exf4 {16} 8. gxf4 {5} Re2
{16} 9. Kh4 {5} Rxh2+ {16} 10. Kg3 {5} Re2 {15} 11. Kf3 {9} Rc2 {16} 12. f5 {6}
Rc3+ {15} 13. Kf4 {5} Rc8 {15} 14. f6 {6} Re8 {16} 15. Kf5 {5} Re5+ {10} 16.
Kg6 {4} Re6 {16} 17. Bf4 {5} Rxe4 {15} 18. Kf5 {5} Re8 {15} 19. Bxd6 {2} Ra8 {
16} 20. f7 {1} Ra5+ {15} 21. Ke6 {1} Ra8 {27} 22. f8=Q {7} Rxf8 {1} 23. Bxf8 {1
} h4 {14} 24. Re1 {2} Kc4 {2} 25. Bg7 {3} h3 {2} 26. Rh1 {3} Kc5 {0} 27. Rh2 {1
} Kc4 {1} 28. Rxh3 {1} Kc5 {1} *
Very easy win for white
Learux
Well intriqued by the position I did a shoot out with Fritz( Fritz plays against itself) gave it 40 moves in 2 hours.
Here is the result. It surprised me!!
[Event "Shootout (Fritz8, 120'/40+60'/20+30'😉 "]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2005.01.04"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Vooijs, Christiaan"]
[Black "Fritz 8"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "8/7p/2rp4/4p3/4P3/1k4P1/p4P1P/R1BK4 w - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "30"]
1. Ke2 {186} Rc2+ {184} 2. Kf3 {184} h5 {163} 3. h4 {137} Rc4 {(Rc3+) 243} 4.
Ke3 {245} Rc3+ {82} 5. Ke2 {189} Rc4 {83} 6. f3 {171} Rc2+ {118} 7. Kf1 {173}
Rc3 {(Rc4) 66} 8. Kf2 {212} Rc2+ {122} 9. Kg1 {(Ke1) 153} Rc3 {102} 10. Kg2 {
142} Rc2+ {76} 11. Kh3 {253} Rc3 {97} 12. f4 {216} exf4 {120} 13. Bxf4 {272}
Kb2 {98} 14. Rf1 {(Rg1) 168} a1=Q {79} 15. Rxa1 {58} Kxa1 {45} 1/2-1/2
I think it is safe to say that that draw was brilliant insight🙂
Learux
Originally posted by RagnorakAw, shucks!
I hate to say it but 2Bit was right. 😉
Although, in my defense, I did state that black had a great chance if white didn't play brilliantly. So, I guess we're both right. 😛 My d2 move was pretty poor as well, but I think it was a distinctly slippery slope at that stage anyway.
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Game 853569
I'm not sure I like two of your moves: 7 and 12. For move 7, why let that pawn get away? For move 12, you could have pinned that bishop next to the king for at least a little while.
Anyway, I'm happy with the result I got! Wonder if Xanadu has seen any of this...
Originally posted by orfeoI didn't take on 7 cos I thought I'd be completely goosed if I captured cos 1) he'd have 2 adjacent pawns as opposed to 2 pawns on the same file.
I'm not sure I like two of your moves: 7 and 12. For move 7, why let that pawn get away? For move 12, you could have pinned that bishop next to the king for at least a little while.
2) I counted the moves, and I thought it was more important to try to get the pawn forward rather than wasting a move capturing.
Pinning on 12 would have been a waste of time. If I pinned him while still on the c file and then we both raced to queen our pawns, then mine would have been unprotected.
As far as I can see, the only real mistake I made was pushing the pawn too early on 13... d4
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Originally posted by RagnorakThe biggest mistake you made was in disagreeing with me!!!!!!!
I didn't take on 7 cos I thought I'd be completely goosed if I captured cos 1) he'd have 2 adjacent pawns as opposed to 2 pawns on the same file.
2) I counted the moves, and I thought it was more important to try to get the pawn forward rather than wasting a move capturing.
Pinning on 12 would have been a waste of time. If I pinned him while still ...[text shortened]... s far as I can see, the only real mistake I made was pushing the pawn too early on 13... d4
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