Go back
Sicilian - Poison Pawn Variation

Sicilian - Poison Pawn Variation

Only Chess

L

Joined
13 Oct 04
Moves
7902
Clock
12 Jan 05
Vote Up
Vote Down

Interested!

h

Joined
04 Jan 04
Moves
25350
Clock
12 Jan 05
Vote Up
Vote Down

Interested

P
L.I.V.R.

England

Joined
09 Nov 04
Moves
3605
Clock
12 Jan 05
Vote Up
Vote Down

Just the name sounds intriguing.
Also interested.

l

London

Joined
02 Mar 04
Moves
36105
Clock
12 Jan 05
Vote Up
Vote Down

Originally posted by no1marauder
Has someone who just played my first Poisoned Pawn on this site against you, screwed up and was badly beaten, I'd appreciate seeing your analysis. However, this is the Chess Forum so either show your analysis or don't; whether 30 people want to see it is immaterial, if you were interested in helping other players you'd just show it. People very ...[text shortened]... n purposes. Whether it would help 1 player or 30 I don't understand why you're playing so coy.
While we're waiting for the originator of this thread to step in and prevent it from turning into a meaningless voting thread, could someone quickly summarise the key ideas behind the Najdorf in general (poisoned pawn in particular)? no1 - you're a regular player of the Najdorf. Any thoughts?

no1marauder
Naturally Right

Somewhere Else

Joined
22 Jun 04
Moves
42677
Clock
12 Jan 05
Vote Up
Vote Down

Originally posted by lucifershammer
While we're waiting for the originator of this thread to step in and prevent it from turning into a meaningless voting thread, could someone quickly summarise the key ideas behind the Najdorf in general (poisoned pawn in particular)? no1 - you're a regular player of the Najdorf. Any thoughts?
Well as Arrakis just showed me - Game 869502 - I'm certainly no expert on the Poisoned Pawn!! Apparently, 14 ....... Nxe5 is an analyzed blunder leading to an almost certainly lost game (there's a couple of games in the databases that I missed), though if people want to do an analysis of the game they're welcome.

The idea of any Sicilian is Queen side counterattack; the Najdorf is characterized by 5 ........ a6, which keeps White's minor pieces off b5. avoiding a pin of the Knight on d7 or the Knight attacking Black's Queen at c7 (where it's usually deployed in the Najdorf). Of course, the Poisoned Pawn goes for a more violent Queenside attack by Qb6 and Qxb2 than the usual building of pressure down the c file. The line is sharp and gives White a serious lead in development, but if Black can mobilize his forces before White can smash through he has good winning chances. However, as shown in our game, one misstep can be fatal so it's not for the faint of heart!

Ouermyhte
Muffy rocks your God

Stars

Joined
08 May 04
Moves
15715
Clock
12 Jan 05
Vote Up
Vote Down

although this seems somewhat like an ego trip, id like to see the analysis 🙂

M

Joined
12 Mar 03
Moves
44411
Clock
12 Jan 05
1 edit
Vote Up
Vote Down

Originally posted by lucifershammer
While we're waiting for the originator of this thread to step in and prevent it from turning into a meaningless voting thread, could someone quickly summarise the key ideas behind the Najdorf in general (poisoned pawn in particular)? no1 - you're a regular player of the Najdorf. Any thoughts?
Key theme for black in the Najdorf is flexibility. Black prepares queenside play (as in most Sicilians) with a6 without committing first the e-pawn (e6 or e5) or the queens-knight (d7 or c6), and may even delay it further with queen moves. The latter is the case when white plays Bg5 and f4 in reply to a6 (and e6) and then black 'develops' the queen to b6, attacking the undefended 'poisened' pawn on b2. White can either use the development lead he gets for the pawn (he plays Qd2) and starts a pawn storm on the kingside later) or 'declines' the gambit with Nb3 in still a sharp (but equal) position.

edit: hadn't seen the parallel reply which is more or less the same as mine.

O

An airport near you

Joined
21 Apr 04
Moves
12247
Clock
12 Jan 05
Vote Up
Vote Down

Originally posted by Mephisto2
Key theme for black in the Najdorf is flexibility. Black prepares queenside play (as in most Sicilians) with a6 without committing first the e-pawn (e6 or e5) or the queens-knight (d7 or c6), and may even delay it further with queen moves. The latter is the case when white plays Bg5 and f4 in reply to a6 (and e6) and then black 'develops' the queen to b6 ...[text shortened]... al) position.

edit: hadn't seen the parallel reply which is more or less the same as mine.
The last really high-level games I recall seeing in this line were in teh Short-Kasparov WC match, 1993. Which were very cool games - I'll post links later when I can find them.

Anything more recent in cutting edge theory? Is this line still played at the top level?

no1marauder
Naturally Right

Somewhere Else

Joined
22 Jun 04
Moves
42677
Clock
12 Jan 05
Vote Up
Vote Down

Originally posted by Osse
The last really high-level games I recall seeing in this line were in teh Short-Kasparov WC match, 1993. Which were very cool games - I'll post links later when I can find them.

Anything more recent in cutting edge theory? Is this line still played at the top level?
Kasparov still plays it at times, most recently in 2004 at Izmir against Azarov (draw). Kasimdzhanov lost to Sadvakasov at Skanderborg in 2004 with the latter playing the Poisoned Pawn and the databases have quite a few games played in the variation by 2500+ in 2004.

s

Joined
18 May 04
Moves
4776
Clock
12 Jan 05
Vote Up
Vote Down

interested

M

Joined
12 Mar 03
Moves
44411
Clock
12 Jan 05
1 edit
Vote Up
Vote Down

Originally posted by no1marauder
Kasparov still plays it at times, most recently in 2004 at Izmir against Azarov (draw). Kasimdzhanov lost to Sadvakasov at Skanderborg in 2004 with the latter playing the Poisoned Pawn and the databases have quite a few games played in the variation by 2500+ in 2004.
two more recent:
Kramnik - Svidler, Wijk aan Zee 2004; 1-0
Vallejo Pons - Kasparov, Moscou 2004; 1/2 - 1/2

O

An airport near you

Joined
21 Apr 04
Moves
12247
Clock
12 Jan 05
Vote Up
Vote Down

Originally posted by Mephisto2
two more recent:
Kramnik - Svidler, Wijk aan Zee 2004; 1-0
Vallejo Pons - Kasparov, Moscou 2004; 1/2 - 1/2
Thanks to both of you.

A
D_U_N_E

Arrakis

Joined
01 May 04
Moves
64653
Clock
12 Jan 05
Vote Up
Vote Down

Originally posted by lucifershammer
While we're waiting for the originator of this thread to step in and prevent it from turning into a meaningless voting thread, could someone quickly summarise the key ideas behind the Najdorf in general (poisoned pawn in particular)? no1 - you're a regular player of the Najdorf. Any thoughts?
I became very interested in the Opening after my game with no1marauder, but that's not what I'm going to use for the article. I'm going to show the basics of the variation and recommend some lines of play for White. Putting it together now.

latex bishop

Joined
20 Feb 02
Moves
58336
Clock
12 Jan 05
Vote Up
Vote Down

Interested

e

Joined
24 Aug 04
Moves
3183
Clock
12 Jan 05
Vote Up
Vote Down

I'm interested.

Cookies help us deliver our Services. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Learn More.