08 Jun 08
Originally posted by SquelchbelchYou use shredderchess as an argument to try to show that 365chess is good. For sake of argument, let's assume both are poor.
To take the Morra Gambit example a stage further:
[b]1.e4 c5 2.d4 cxd4 3.c3 dxc3 4.Nxc3 Nc6 5.Nf3 d6 6.Bc4 a6!
Is a very tough defence in which it is difficult for White to make any inroads.
Critical is 7.Bg5! not the more intuitive 7.0-0?!
7.Bg5! appears 21 times on 365chess and err... zero times on shredderchess which just gives 10 exam ...[text shortened]... nd fault with a surface-scraping db like shredderchess, where critical lines are often ignored.[/b]
And how does 365chess significantly show that Bg5 is better than 0-0? It show's more wins for both White and Black after 0-0. How does 365chess help determine that Bg5 is best?
08 Jun 08
Originally posted by SquelchbelchSorry, my confusion... I meant "Chessbase" as in the database management software. Used with a database constructed with quality games. Not the online site.
chesslive.de has even more games, so I don't understand the numbers argument.
08 Jun 08
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Originally posted by VarenkaPoint is, you won't even see 7.Bg5! on shredderchess.
You use shredderchess as an argument to try to show that 365chess is good. For sake of argument, let's assume both are poor.
And how does 365chess significantly show that Bg5 is better than 0-0? It show's more wins for both White and Black after 0-0. How does 365chess help determine that Bg5 is best?
Also, a small but higher quality database may be all you need if you play mainline Ruy Lopez's as White or Semi-Slav, open Sicilian as Black, but if you prefer slightly more offbeat openings like the Latvian gambit or Morra, then the greater scope really does help in assisting you to find the better lines.
08 Jun 08
Originally posted by VarenkaThe critical line is 7.Bg5! Nf6 8.Bxf6 gxf6 9.0-0 e6 10.Nd4!+= but nothing better.
Ok, but 365chess includes so much nonsense that I'm not surprised it has more moves.
By-the-way, I'm don't agree that Bg5 is better than 0-0. Both look decent.
7.0-0?! is just a fraction too slow, but still enough for Black to gain the advantage with 7...Nf6 8.Bg5 e6 and then for instance the best White can hope for is 9.Rc1 Be7 10.Qe2 0-0 11.Rfd1 Bd7! -+
08 Jun 08
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Originally posted by Squelchbelch7.Bg5 Nf6 8.Bxf6 gxf6 9.0-0 Rg8 =+
The critical line is 7.Bg5! Nf6 8.Bxf6 gxf6 9.0-0 e6 10.Nd4!+= but nothing better.
7.0-0?! is just a fraction too slow, but still enough for Black to gain the advantage with 7...Nf6 8.Bg5 e6 and then for instance the best White can hope for is 9.Rc1 Be7 10.Qe2 0-0 11.Rfd1 Bd7! -+
7.0-0 Nf6 8.Bf4 =/=+
08 Jun 08
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Originally posted by VarenkaAgain, I evaluate this slightly differently:
7.0-0 Nf6 8.Bf4 =/=+
8...e6 9.0-0 Nf6 10.Bb3 Ra7! 11.Rfd1 Rd7-/+ is for Black now a favourable transposition to the Chicago Defence (with White's 8.Bf4 now looking like a rather sad move) and although risky for Black this defence has a very good reputation indeed.
Sorry this has gone so far off-topic & for that I hold my hands up!