What endgame? What positional stuff?
Seriously, how often do you win or lose because of the endgame or positional stuff.
I've read several books on endings and positional stuff but hardly any of my games have been won because I read those books.
When was the last time you won a R+K+P vs R+K ? I can't remember ever having that.
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what about dividing all that time into five (or, in my case, multiplying it by five) and making that poor boy study openings, middlegame, endgame, and strategy along with tactics? He would be pretty strong...
I have a 1200 rating, but in my chess club, I sometimes blow 1700's off the board because they get outplayed strategically. Those people have a great tactcal mind, but no strategy whatsoever.
Originally posted by RahimKDon't be offended but that's the stupidest thing I've heard today. Keep in mind the day's only 34 minutes old.
What endgame? What positional stuff?
Seriously, how often do you win or lose because of the endgame or positional stuff.
I've read several books on endings and positional stuff but hardly any of my games have been won because I read those books.
When was the last time you won a R+K+P vs R+K ? I can't remember ever having that.
So why is it you aren't in the GM A group at Corus?
Originally posted by giantrobotI win games because of blunder by my oponnents, they drop pieces.
Don't be offended but that's the stupidest thing I've heard today. Keep in mind the day's only 34 minutes old.
So why is it you aren't in the GM A group at Corus?
It's easy winning a game once you are up a couple of pieces. I don't see what the problem is.
I've learnt Q+K vs K+P and the stalemating techinque. Have I ever used it? No!
How I ever used the Lucerne Position, no.
Have I ever used K+N+B vs K mating? no.
All those are endings you hardly ever use.
People read tons of books and don't improve. Same thing with me. Once you hit tactics, boom you rating goes up.
Every keeps saying tactics tactics, even GMs. I agree and i'm proof.
I bet you a young kid learning only tactics would do great. It would be a great start for him.
Originally posted by RahimKDe La Maza....
I win games because of blunder by my oponnents, they drop pieces.
It's easy winning a game once you are up a couple of pieces. I don't see what the problem is.
I've learnt Q+K vs K+P and the stalemating techinque. Have I ever used it? No!
How I ever used the Lucerne Position, no.
Have I ever used K+N+B vs K mating? no.
All those are endings yo ...[text shortened]... et you a young kid learning only tactics would do great. It would be a great start for him.
Based on that I'd say about 1800-2000 shouldn't be too tough.
Originally posted by RahimKWinning because of opponent's blunder -> sure.
I win games because of blunder by my oponnents, they drop pieces.
It's easy winning a game once you are up a couple of pieces. I don't see what the problem is.
I've learnt Q+K vs K+P and the stalemating techinque. Have I ever used it? No!
How I ever used the Lucerne Position, no.
Have I ever used K+N+B vs K mating? no.
All those are endings yo ...[text shortened]... et you a young kid learning only tactics would do great. It would be a great start for him.
Q+K vs K+P -> useful.
Lucerne -> never.
K+N+B vs K -> hard on otb chess not in PHP 😀
Even kid can learn tactics.😀 but not strategy.
Originally posted by RahimKYour opponents dropping pieces I should hope you would win. $10 CDN for lessons ~ $8.50 US. Sounds about right. Stay in school.
I win games because of blunder by my oponnents, they drop pieces.
It's easy winning a game once you are up a couple of pieces. I don't see what the problem is.
I've learnt Q+K vs K+P and the stalemating techinque. Have I ever used it? No!
How I ever used the Lucerne Position, no.
Have I ever used K+N+B vs K mating? no.
All those are endings yo et you a young kid learning only tactics would do great. It would be a great start for him.
Next time a customer asks us to run fatigue tests as part of a capability study I'm going to tell them we don't have to. Why? Because if the component's going to fail it will fail long before the 'endgame'. Yeah, that would go over well.
Look, you obviously have your mind made up. Why start a thread asking for opinions if you didn't really want them. Tactics worked for you then fanfsckingtastic. You say tactics, not calculation.
Post games vs players better than you where 'tactics' alone won the game for you. Not their blunders but your tactical 'vision'. Otherwise fail.
Originally posted by RahimKQ+K vs K+P-i tend to run into that alot in my tournament play (odd, but true)
I win games because of blunder by my oponnents, they drop pieces.
It's easy winning a game once you are up a couple of pieces. I don't see what the problem is.
I've learnt Q+K vs K+P and the stalemating techinque. Have I ever used it? No!
How I ever used the Lucerne Position, no.
Have I ever used K+N+B vs K mating? no.
All those are endings yo et you a young kid learning only tactics would do great. It would be a great start for him.
Lucerne Position (if its the K+R vs K+R+P) then yes- all the time
K+N+B vs K--I didnt know that was possible, but I now know I've taken way too many draws now (I'll be sure to look that one up, along with the K+B+B 😳)
Sure tactics are good, but how much can they truly help you in the end. What about positions where there are no tactical possiblities, or where an edgame is entered and its 4P+B+K vs 4P+N+K and all pawns are connected on the same side (or in this weekends case where I won our counties high school championships with a record of 5-0 in which I was 4P+N+K vs 4P+R+k, granted it should have been a win for him, but because he had studied NO ENDGAMES and all tactics, I was able to use endgame pawn structures and concepts of Lucerne Positions to help promote for a queen). Sure you may be able to calculate it out for the same result as someone who knows endgames (I disagree but it's unprovable).
I for myself (after achieving an OTB record of 600 after half a year of playing) have yet to pick up a book, looked up a website, or do one of those cheesy tactical worksheets. I am now 1400 and still rising. Everything has been strategical, positional, and endgames. Granted I have done some basic opening study, but that only occupies 1/50th of my studying time.
While tactics might help the kid get started, I see your "genious" getting whipped off the board by a well balanced player.
Originally posted by anthiashmmm thats weird. usually 1200s dont know anything about strategy, but some are already considerably good tactically.
I have a 1200 rating, but in my chess club, I sometimes blow 1700's off the board because they get outplayed strategically. Those people have a great tactcal mind, but no strategy whatsoever.
I think, especially speaking of gifted children, heavy tactical training would be quite powerful. It is much more likely that a strong tactical player would develop an intuitive sense for position than a strong positional player would develop an intuitive sense for tactics. Think of the Polgar sisters being fed puzzles from when they were still toddlers, or a young Tal playing a version of chess where knights can't go backwards! Or to take it to a logical extreme, think computers. No positional thinking at all going on there but a good engine will kick my ass everytime.
tactics rule...especially in our patzer level(below master)
I think if you are very very good in tactics, but without other knowledge, you might get around 1600-1700 on this server(with very long games, where the people should make less blunders), around 1800-2000 in FIDE rating...less time there, but still a lot, and around 2000-2150 in rapid chess/blitz.
Somehow Rahim is right: I played last week in a OTB tournament and I won because of tactical blunders and I lost because of tactical blunders...but still, all the game you work to get some strategic advantages that will increase your tactical chances and decrese your oponent's tactical chances...so if you play completely without strategy maybe your opponent will restrain you (especially in space) and you will not be able to create any tactical opportunities...