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Originally posted by PhySiQThat won a prize?
This is a prize winner from Class C, but its one of the finest games I've seen through the tournament!
[pgn][Event "Tata Steel Chess 2012"] [Site "Wijk aan Zee"] [Date "2012.01.19"] [Round "5"] [White "Adhiban Baskaran"] [Black "Matthew Sadler"] [Result "1/2-1/2"] [ECO "C04"] [Opening "French"] [Time "14:46:02"] [Variation "Tarrasch, Guimard, Main Line"] [ ...[text shortened]... h6 55. exf7 Bd5+ 56. Kg3 Bxf7 57. Kh4 Rg8 58. Rxg8 Kxg8 59. Rxd4 [/pgn]
It's a draw.
There's a lot of back-and-forth manoeuvring.
There are no flashy sacrifices.
Worst of all, it's a *gak* French!
Why has Greenpawn not had a fit yet?
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Originally posted by queenabberWell, yeah... except that Leko drew against Kramnik at a time when the best player in the world (even if not the official world champion) was still Kasparov, while Schlechter drew against Lasker. Leko may be good and Kramnik may be good, but by gum, Kramnik is no Lasker - and Leko is no Schlechter.
mentioning Schlecter, you should then mention his modern day equivalent Leko. Similar for many reasons!
But neither are the Stirling Moss of chess, that's for certain
And I agree that neither is the most inspiring of players, which is why, when the chips are down, I'd go for Rubinstein - but I still think that Schlechter, unlike Leko, is underrated.
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Originally posted by greenpawn34Tarrasch, Tartakower and Nimzovitch? No. All of those were far too much wedded to the idea of the "right", the beautiful, their kind of chess to allow winning the match to get in the way of their genius. Particularly Nimzovitch, of course, and also Tarrasch with his jibes against the "Orthodox". That gets you a (well-deserved!) place in the public's heart, and a whole section of your own in the opening manuals, but no world championship crowns.
The top 7 in this debate are usually:
Tarrasch, Rubinstein, Tartakower, Nimzovitch, Bronstien, Keres and Korchnoi.
As for Tartakower, his weakness wasn't principle so much as the sheer love of the beautiful game, but the end result is the same: you end up a memorable loser rather than a winner.
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20 Jan 12
Originally posted by Shallow BlueNo, I think that is unfair. Haven't check the dates but I am pretty sure Lasker-Schlecter was 1910. By that stage it was not clear that Lasker was stronger than Capa or Rubinstein (who's golden year was 1911 if memory serves me right). When Leko drew with Kramnik, he was/or had been 4th in the world. I maintain the comparison is very valid, even down to losing the final game etc. Both L and S were fine, very correct players
Well, yeah... except that Leko drew against Kramnik at a time when the best player in the world (even if not the official world champion) was still Kasparov, while Schlechter drew against Lasker. Leko may be good and Kramnik may be good, but by gum, Kramnik is no Lasker - and Leko is no Schlechter.
And I agree that neither is the most inspiring of play ...[text shortened]... d go for Rubinstein - but I still think that Schlechter, unlike Leko, is underrated.
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23 Jan 12
Originally posted by no1marauderPillsbury too is up there but it is often forgotten what a great player he was.
Harry Pillsbury deserves a mention methinks.
Mention must also be made of Zugertort and Chigorin.
Unlike Keres, Tartakower, Rubinstein, Nimzovitch and Pilsbury both Zugertort
and Chigorin actually got shots at the World Title and came close to taking it.
Zugertort was leading by 3 clear games at one stage v Steinitz but then went
into a nose dive losing the next 4 out of 5 games.
Chigorin v Steinitz in 1892 (featuring 7 Evans Gambits W.4 D2 L1 - those olden golden days! )
Chigorin held the lead by two clear points at one point in the match and in the
very last game he was a piece up with a won game.
He then made a terrible and famous blunder allowing himself to be mated in two moves.
Here Chigorin as White played 32.Bb4?? 32...Rxh2+ and mate next move.
The move 32.Rxb7 is winning but there is a wee trick for Black in there.