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10 Sep 06
10 Sep 06
Originally posted by SuperBishop999hmmm....in other words, you want to see queen sacs....
Where the winner of the game sacrifices his/her queen to win the game
thats interesting, because wiki said a psuedo sac was....
Pseudo sacrifices
Checkmate. A common benefit of making a sacrifice is to allow the sacrificing player to checkmate the opponent. Since checkmate is the ultimate goal of chess, the loss of material (value of chess pieces) should not matter in a successful checkmate. Sacrifices leading to checkmate are typically forcing, and often checks, leaving the opponent with only one or a few options.
Avoiding loss. The counterpart to the above is saving a lost game. A sacrifice could be made to force stalemate or perpetual check, to create a fortress, or otherwise force a draw, or to avoid even greater loss of material.
Material gain. A sacrifice might initiate a combination which results in an overall loss material gain, making the upfront investment of the sacrifice worthwhile. A sacrifice leading to a pawn promotion is a special case of this type of sacrifice.
Simplification. Even if the sacrifice leads to net material loss for the foreseeable future, the sacrificing player may benefit because they are already ahead in material and the exchanges simplify the position making it easier to win. A player ahead in material may decide that it is worthwhile to get rid of one of the last effective pieces the opponent has.
10 Sep 06
Originally posted by ShinidokiYes. It is usually considered a Psuedo Sacrifice when the queen puts herself so that the king must take her, setting up for the next move, so the sacrficer can move in for the checkmate.
hmmm....in other words, you want to see queen sacs....
thats interesting, because wiki said a psuedo sac was....
Pseudo sacrifices
Checkmate. A common benefit of making a sacrifice is to allow the sacrificing player to checkmate the opponent. Since checkmate is the ultimate goal of chess, the loss of material (value of chess pieces) should no ...[text shortened]... ecide that it is worthwhile to get rid of one of the last effective pieces the opponent has.
10 Sep 06
Originally posted by ShinidokiThanks!
none the less....here's 2 queen sac's for you.
Game 2223319
Game 2041390
10 Sep 06
Originally posted by SuperBishop999well the prefix pseudo means fake for example pseudonym is a fake name so I would think that a pseudo sac would be one in which you get the material back but with a better postition.
Where the winner of the game sacrifices his/her queen to win the game
10 Sep 06
Originally posted by tomtom232Isn't a sacrifice when you let some material go for another advantage?
well the prefix pseudo means fake for example pseudonym is a fake name so I would think that a pseudo sac would be one in which you get the material back but with a better postition.
If your position is better after a sacrifice then before it is really a sacrifice, not even a fake or a pseudo sacrifice.
However if your sacrifice didn't get the desired outcome - then, and only then, it is a real sacrifice, perhaps even a sacrificed game alltogether...?
10 Sep 06
Originally posted by FabianFnasbut the reason it is a fake sac is because you aren't really sacking material because you are getting it back it is more like exchanging with style.
Isn't a sacrifice when you let some material go for another advantage?
If your position is better after a sacrifice then before it is really a sacrifice, not even a fake or a pseudo sacrifice.
However if your sacrifice didn't get the desired outcome - then, and only then, it is a real sacrifice, perhaps even a sacrificed game alltogether...?
10 Sep 06
Originally posted by FabianFnasI think the criteria for a real sacrifice an amount of uncertainty. Of course, this can give a discussion of semantics.. but when someone says "sacrifice" (or rather "material sacrifice"😉 it should mean to exchange material for other factors on the board, but for which you are uncertain - yet hopeful, by intuition or something - that they will pay off more than the material you sacrificed. But the outcome has nothing to do with it, since a sacrifice is based maybe on more abstract considerations than concrete variations that lead to material gain or mating attacks. If the outcome is good or bad, well doesn't matter, it was still a material sacrifice.
However if your sacrifice didn't get the desired outcome - then, and only then, it is a real sacrifice, perhaps even a sacrificed game alltogether...?
11 Sep 06
I've never seen the term pseudo sac in chess literature.
In chess-speak, a "sacrifice" is a giving up of material for what you perceive to be greater gain in return -- be it material, position, mate, whatever. When you "sacrifice" a piece in chess, it is not a true sacrifice. When you "sacrifice" a piece in the dictionary sense of the word -- to give it up for nothing -- well, there is already a term for that in chess-speak. We call it a "blunder."
"Pseudo-sacrifice" must thus be either (A) redundant, or (B) a sneaky way of saying "blunder."
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11 Sep 06
Originally posted by HaydukeSacrifice in chess terms is giving up material for unclear compensation.
I've never seen the term pseudo sac in chess literature.
In chess-speak, a "sacrifice" is a giving up of material for what you perceive to be greater gain in return -- be it material, position, mate, whatever. When you "sacrifice" a piece in chess, it is not a true sacrifice. When you "sacrifice" a piece in the dictionary sense of the word -- to give it ...[text shortened]... rifice" must thus be either (A) redundant, or (B) a sneaky way of saying "blunder."
Pseudo means
1. not actually but having the appearance of; pretended; false or spurious; sham.
2. almost, approaching, or trying to be.
So 'sacing' a queen or anything else that forces checkmate isnt really a sacrifice but might have the appearance of a sac.
12 Sep 06
Originally posted by BedlamPerhaps giving up materal for a forced win could be called a false sacrifice. I think it would be called a mate in ? and not sacrifices.
Sacrifice in chess terms is giving up material for unclear compensation.
Pseudo means
1. not actually but having the appearance of; pretended; false or spurious; sham.
2. almost, approaching, or trying to be.
So 'sacing' a queen or anything else that forces checkmate isnt really a sacrifice but might have the appearance of a sac.