06 Jun 09
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWell, the quote was sarcastic. But, I guess that can be hard to understand over the internet.
here is your statement and i quote
"What does looking at the game positionally mean? I ignore my opponents threat of mate in 3 because my pawns are prettier?"
what are we to understand from such a statement? that thinking in positional terms means ignoring a basic positional concept such as king safety, i don't think so, therefore, perhaps you ...[text shortened]... lly did mean, rather than what you did not. Indeed how does one look at a game positionally?
Your original quote (to paraphrase) was something like don't think in a big series of moves but think positionally. I will put it plain and simple for you-you can not think positionally without concretely thinking of variations.
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Take for instance this position.
http://www.chess.com/forum/view/more-puzzles/another-one-that-came-from-one-of-my-games
If you are black and you just "think positionally" then yes you may say my king is in danger(rook, queen, bishop and pawn towards my king. But, without calculation you don't can't know you are lost and as the attacker you can't win. And worst yet as the defender you can't know that you needed to prevent the knight from getting into that square.
06 Jun 09
Originally posted by erikidoSame with CC. You still have to do the work and you aren't going to be able to play "on the next level" just because you have some opening books and a database. Besides, knowing the theory of an opening helps cover you when someone goes out of book. Unless they make a move out of book early on then the plans will be the same and those plans came from, you guessed it, other people's ideas.
That was not his point. The point was that it is his own brain doing the work/calculation etc. Sure, in an otb tournament you will prepare an opening. BUt, the other person can "take you out of book" and you still have to remember your preparation. That is all that was being suggested(as I understand it)
06 Jun 09
Originally posted by tomtom232You very obviously completely missed the point again
Same with CC. You still have to do the work and you aren't going to be able to play "on the next level" just because you have some opening books and a database. Besides, knowing the theory of an opening helps cover you when someone goes out of book. Unless they make a move out of book early on then the plans will be the same and those plans came from, you guessed it, other people's ideas.
07 Jun 09
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Originally posted by erikidoDid you notice the phrase "not someone else's ideas" in his post?
That was not his point. The point was that it is his own brain doing the work/calculation etc. Sure, in an otb tournament you will prepare an opening. BUt, the other person can "take you out of book" and you still have to remember your preparation. That is all that was being suggested(as I understand it)
08 Jun 09
Originally posted by erikidoActually I got the point I just didn't agree with it. If you learned your tactics by doing a bunch of tactical problems then you didn't do all the work to find the tactics in your games.
You very obviously still missed my point responding to MY post with what YOU said. :p
08 Jun 09
Originally posted by tomtom232Once again this post DOES prove that you don't understand my point
Actually I got the point I just didn't agree with it. If you learned your tactics by doing a bunch of tactical problems then you didn't do all the work to find the tactics in your games.
08 Jun 09
Originally posted by erikidoI think you just don't understand your own point for some obscure reason. You clearly stayed that in an OTB game it is your own brain doing all the work. Do you dispute this fact?
Once again this post DOES prove that you don't understand my point
10 Jun 09
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Originally posted by erikidoReread it tomtum
That was not his point. The point was that it is his own brain doing the work/CALCULATION etc. Sure, in an otb tournament you will PREPARE AN OPENING. BUt, the other person can "take you out of book" and you still have to REMEMBER your preparation. That is all that was being suggested(as I understand it)
CC chess is research and being able move the pieces and see what happens.
OTB chess is research memory of your research, calculation/visualization etc
And I NEVER said anything about not being able to use other peoples ideas. Stop putting other peoples words into my mouth
10 Jun 09
Originally posted by WumpusBut if you're rating doesnt improve then don't you miss out on the higher rated puzzles?
Yes... I understand. It's like the chess tactics server. If you cannot solve the puzzle within a certain time frame, you lose ELO points. I've abandoned the timing long ago and now I only try and solve the puzzle... I seldom get any points and my estimated ELO is about 1300 (which I cannot care less about). However, I get nearly all the puzzles right. :-) Since I've abandoned the timing, my rating fell, but my ability has definitely improved.
10 Jun 09
Originally posted by erikidoAnd my point was that you do almost all this in CC also. You still have to do the work. Does someone else do the calculation for you?
Reread it tomtum
CC chess is research and being able move the pieces and see what happens.
OTB chess is research memory of your research, calculation/visualization etc
And I NEVER said anything about not being able to use other peoples ideas. Stop putting other peoples words into my mouth
It is also very juvenile of you to change my user ID in your post.
10 Jun 09
Originally posted by clarencecuasayTrue, and rather sad... but I'd rather have my (almost) 90% score at correct puzzles then a higher rating. It stands to reason that as I complete more and more puzzles, my timing will eventually catch up too... in fact, I've just broken 1400!
But if you're rating doesnt improve then don't you miss out on the higher rated puzzles?
I know it stands in the shadow of all the 1700+ guys here and at the tactics server, but I'm enjoying my chess and I think that is the important part.