Originally posted by Evey HammondGenerally, two rooks are better than a queen. I can send you a whole database of games in a pgn file that demonstrate the two rooks are equal to or better than a queen. There are fewer examples of a queen begin superior.
Of course, it depends on the game and situation, but generally? Would you?
Here is a games between Karpov - Kasparov, March 5, 2001 in Linares. The game is drawn.
And here are several more examples when the queen wins.
[Event "Bad Zwesten,GER"]
[Site "Bad Zwesten,GER"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Stillger, Bernhardt"]
[Black "Levin, Felix"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B01"]
[PlyCount "81"]
1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Nf6 3. d4 Nxd5 4. c4 Nb6 5. c5 Nd5 6. Nc3 g6 7. Bc4 Nxc3 8.
bxc3 Bg7 9. Nf3 O-O 10. O-O Nc6 11. Re1 Na5 12. Bd3 b6 13. Ba3 Bf6 14. Qe2 Be6
15. Ne5 c6 16. Bb4 Qc7 17. Bxa5 bxa5 18. f4 Rab8 19. Rab1 a4 20. Bc4 Bxe5 21.
fxe5 Qd7 22. a3 Bxc4 23. Qxc4 Qf5 24. Rb4 Qc2 25. h3 e6 26. Rf1 h5 27. Kh2 Kg7
28. Rfb1 Qxb1 29. Rxb1 Rxb1 30. Qxa4 Rfb8 31. Qxc6 Rc1 32. Qf3 Rb3 33. Qf6+ Kg8
34. d5 Rcxc3 35. dxe6 fxe6 36. Qxe6+ Kf8 37. Qf6+ Kg8 38. Qe6+ Kh7 39. Qf7+ Kh6
40. e6 Rxc5 41. e7 1-0
[Event "Bundesliga2 North 9697"]
[Site "Bundesliga2 North 9697"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Schmidt, D."]
[Black "Stephan, Axel"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B80"]
[PlyCount "73"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 d6 6. g3 Be7 7. Bg2 O-O 8. O-O
a6 9. Be3 Qc7 10. h3 Nc6 11. Nxc6 bxc6 12. Qd2 a5 13. Na4 Rb8 14. c4 c5 15. b3
Bb7 16. Nc3 Bc6 17. Rfd1 Rfd8 18. Qe2 Qb7 19. Qc2 Nd7 20. Bf4 Nf8 21. Be3 Bf6
22. Rac1 Bxc3 23. Qxc3 Bxe4 24. Bxe4 Qxe4 25. Qxa5 Qc6 26. Rd3 Ng6 27. Bf4 Nxf4
28. gxf4 Rd7 29. Rcd1 Rbd8 30. Rxd6 Qxd6 31. Rxd6 Rxd6 32. Qxc5 g6 33. a4 Rd1+
34. Kg2 Rb1 35. b4 Rb8 36. b5 Ra1 37. Qe5 1-0
[Event "Bundesliga2 West 9697"]
[Site "Bundesliga2 West 9697"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Luecke, Norbert"]
[Black "Lisanti, Andre"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B35"]
[PlyCount "82"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 g6 5. Nc3 Bg7 6. Be3 Nf6 7. Bc4 O-O 8.
Bb3 b6 9. f3 Bb7 10. Qd2 e6 11. O-O-O Nxd4 12. Bxd4 Qe7 13. h4 Rfd8 14. h5 d5
15. exd5 Bxd5 16. Nxd5 exd5 17. g4 Rac8 18. Rde1 Qd6 19. Kb1 a5 20. hxg6 hxg6
21. a4 Re8 22. Rd1 Rcd8 23. Qf2 Qf4 24. Bxb6 Rb8 25. Bd4 Rb4 26. Bc3 Ne4 27.
Qh4 Nxc3+ 28. bxc3 Qc4 29. cxb4 Qc3 30. Qh7+ Kf8 31. Qxg7+ Kxg7 32. bxa5 Rb8
33. Ka2 Qxf3 34. Rhf1 Qxg4 35. Rxd5 Rxb3 36. Kxb3 Qh3+ 37. Kb4 Qxf1 38. Rc5
Qb1+ 39. Kc3 Qa1+ 40. Kb4 Qb2+ 41. Kc4 Qxc2+ 0-1
[Event "Cairo,EGY;Golden Cleopatra"]
[Site "Cairo,EGY;Golden Cleopatra"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Ghitescu, Theodor"]
[Black "Labib, Ibrahim"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "E13"]
[PlyCount "116"]
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. Nf3 b6 5. Bg5 Bb7 6. e3 h6 7. Bh4 Bxc3+ 8.
bxc3 d6 9. Nd2 Nbd7 10. f3 Qe7 11. Qa4 e5 12. e4 O-O 13. Be2 Rfe8 14. O-O-O a6
15. Qc2 b5 16. Nf1 bxc4 17. d5 c6 18. dxc6 Bxc6 19. Ne3 d5 20. exd5 Qa3+ 21.
Qb2 Qc5 22. dxc6 Reb8 23. cxd7 Rxb2 24. d8=Q+ Rxd8 25. Rxd8+ Kh7 26. Kxb2 Qxe3
27. Rhd1 Qxe2+ 28. R8d2 Qe3 29. Rd6 Nh5 30. Bg3 a5 31. Re1 Qc5 32. Rd2 Nxg3 33.
hxg3 a4 34. Rde2 a3+ 35. Kc2 Qd6 36. Kc1 Qb6 37. Rd2 Kg6 38. Rxe5 Qg1+ 39. Kc2
Qa1 40. Rb5 Qxa2+ 41. Kc1 Qa1+ 42. Kc2 Qa2+ 43. Kc1 Qa1+ 44. Kc2 a2 45. Rb2 h5
46. Rd6+ f6 47. Rd2 Kh6 48. g4 h4 49. f4 Kg6 50. g5 fxg5 51. fxg5 Kxg5 52. Rd4
Kh5 53. Rb5+ g5 54. Rb2 Qg1 55. Rxa2 Qxg2+ 56. Rd2 Qf1 57. Ra8 h3 58. Re8 Kh4
0-1
[Event "Calcutta,IND"]
[Site "Calcutta,IND"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Gasimov, Ragim"]
[Black "Shankar, Roy"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D63"]
[PlyCount "115"]
1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 e6 5. e3 Be7 6. Nf3 O-O 7. Rc1 Nbd7 8. a3
a6 9. cxd5 exd5 10. Bd3 Re8 11. Qc2 h6 12. Bh4 Ne4 13. Bxe7 Qxe7 14. Bxe4 dxe4
15. Nd2 Nf6 16. O-O Bf5 17. b4 Rad8 18. Nc4 Nd5 19. f4 Be6 20. Nxd5 Bxd5 21.
Nb6 Qh4 22. f5 Rd6 23. Rf4 Qd8 24. Qc5 Qb8 25. Rcf1 Red8 26. a4 Rf6 27. g4 g5
28. fxg6 Rxg6 29. Nxd5 Rxd5 30. Qe7 Rg7 31. Kh1 Qd8 32. Qxb7 Rdg5 33. Qxc6 h5
34. Rxe4 Kf8 35. Ref4 hxg4 36. Qc4 Qd7 37. Qxa6 Qe8 38. Rc1 R7g6 39. Qc8 g3 40.
h4 g2+ 41. Kg1 Rg3 42. Rxf7+ Kxf7 43. Rc7+ Kf8 44. Qf5+ Kg8 45. Rc8 Qxc8 46.
Qxc8+ Kg7 47. h5 R6g5 48. Qd8 Kh7 49. Qf6 Rxh5 50. Qf7+ Kh6 51. Qf6+ Rg6 52.
Qh8+ Kg5 53. Qf8 Kh4 54. b5 Rgg5 55. Qf2+ Rg3 56. b6 Rh7 57. a5 Rh5 58. b7 1-0
[Event "Cannes Wch-U10 cadets"]
[Site "Cannes Wch-U10 cadets"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "10"]
[White "Bellaiche, Anthony"]
[Black "Valeanu, Eduard"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A75"]
[PlyCount "87"]
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. Nf3 g6 4. d5 d6 5. Nc3 Bg7 6. e4 O-O 7. Be2 e6 8. O-O
exd5 9. cxd5 a6 10. a4 Bg4 11. Nd2 Bxe2 12. Qxe2 Nbd7 13. a5 Re8 14. Nc4 Qc7
15. Bf4 Ne5 16. Bxe5 dxe5 17. Rfd1 Rad8 18. Rac1 Bf8 19. Nb6 Bd6 20. Nca4 Qe7
21. Qe3 Ng4 22. Qf3 Nf6 23. Rc4 Nd7 24. Rdc1 Nxb6 25. Nxb6 Qg5 26. Na4 Rc8 27.
b4 Rc7 28. bxc5 Rec8 29. Nb6 Rxc5 30. h4 Qxc1+ 31. Rxc1 Rxc1+ 32. Kh2 Rd8 33.
Qf6 Bc7 34. Qe7 Bxb6 35. axb6 Rb8 36. Qc7 Rc8 37. d6 R8xc7 38. bxc7 Kf8 39. d7
Rb1 40. c8=Q+ Kg7 41. d8=Q Kh6 42. Qf8+ Kh5 43. g4+ Kxh4 44. Qh6# 1-0
[Event "Cannes Wch-U12 cadets"]
[Site "Cannes Wch-U12 cadets"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Murariu, Andrei"]
[Black "Filippov, Anton"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C45"]
[PlyCount "82"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nxc6 bxc6 6. e5 Qe7 7. Qe2 Nd5 8.
c4 Ba6 9. b3 g6 10. f4 Bg7 11. Qe4 f5 12. Qd4 d6 13. cxd5 dxe5 14. Qd2 exf4+
15. Kd1 Bxf1 16. Rxf1 O-O-O 17. Nc3 Bxc3 18. Qxc3 Rxd5+ 19. Bd2 Rhd8 20. Re1
Rxd2+ 21. Qxd2 Rxd2+ 22. Kxd2 Qg5 23. Kc3 Qxg2 24. Rh1 f3 25. h4 f2 26. a4 h6
27. a5 a6 28. Rad1 f4 29. Kc4 Kb7 30. Kc5 Qf3 31. Kb4 g5 32. hxg5 hxg5 33. Ka4
g4 34. b4 g3 35. b5 cxb5+ 36. Kb4 g2 37. Rhe1 Qxd1 38. Rxd1 g1=Q 39. Rd3 Qe1+
40. Kc5 Qe5+ 41. Kb4 c5+ 0-1
[Event "Cannes Wch-U14g cadets"]
[Site "Cannes Wch-U14g cadets"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Groberman, Elina"]
[Black "Charkhalashvili, Inga"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B14"]
[PlyCount "114"]
1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. exd5 cxd5 4. c4 Nf6 5. Nc3 e6 6. Nf3 Nc6 7. c5 Ne4 8. Bd3
Nxc3 9. bxc3 e5 10. Nxe5 Nxe5 11. dxe5 Bxc5 12. O-O Be6 13. Rb1 Qc7 14. Qa4+
Bd7 15. Bb5 O-O-O 16. Ba3 a6 17. Bxd7+ Rxd7 18. Bxc5 Qxc5 19. Qg4 Rhd8 20. Qxg7
Kb8 21. Rfc1 d4 22. cxd4 Qxd4 23. g3 Qd5 24. Rb2 Qf3 25. Rf1 Rd1 26. Rb1 R1d2
27. Qg5 Qd5 28. a3 Rc8 29. Qh6 Qd3 30. Qb6 Rc7 31. Rb3 Qd5 32. Re3 Rc6 33. Qb4
Ka7 34. Rb1 Rcc2 35. Qb6+ Ka8 36. Ree1 Rxf2 37. Qxf2 Rxf2 38. Kxf2 Qc5+ 39. Kg2
Qxa3 40. Rbd1 Qa2+ 41. Kg1 a5 42. Rd8+ Ka7 43. Rd7 Qe6 44. Rd6 Qc4 45. Rf6 a4
46. Rf4 Qc5+ 47. Kh1 a3 48. Ra1 b5 49. Rxf7+ Ka6 50. Rf4 b4 51. e6 Qe5 52. Rd1
Qxe6 53. Rxb4 Qc6+ 54. Kg1 Qc5+ 55. Rbd4 a2 56. Kg2 Qxd4 57. Rxd4 a1=Q 0-1
[Event "Cannes Wch-U14g cadets"]
[Site "Cannes Wch-U14g cadets"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Tian Tian"]
[Black "Sergeeva, Maria"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B22"]
[PlyCount "95"]
1. e4 c5 2. c3 Nf6 3. e5 Nd5 4. d4 e6 5. Bc4 Nb6 6. Bb3 Nc6 7. Nf3 Qc7 8. O-O
d6 9. Qe2 Be7 10. Bf4 O-O 11. Nbd2 d5 12. Bg3 a5 13. Rfc1 Nd7 14. Bc2 Qb6 15.
Qd3 g6 16. b3 cxd4 17. cxd4 Nb4 18. Qe3 Re8 19. Bf4 Bf8 20. Bh6 Bg7 21. h4 Nf8
22. h5 Bxh6 23. Qxh6 Nxc2 24. Rxc2 Bd7 25. Qf4 Rec8 26. Rac1 Qd8 27. Nh2 gxh5
28. Ndf3 Ng6 29. Qh6 Qf8 30. Qxh5 Qg7 31. Ng4 Nf4 32. Qh4 Ne2+ 33. Rxe2 Rxc1+
34. Kh2 Bb5 35. Nf6+ Kh8 36. Ng5 Bd3 37. Re3 h6 38. Nxf7+ Qxf7 39. Qxh6+ Bh7
40. Rh3 Rc7 41. Nxh7 Qxh7 42. Qxe6 Rf8 43. Rxh7+ Rxh7+ 44. Kg1 Rhf7 45. f3 Rg7
46. Qxd5 Rc8 47. g4 Rcc7 48. Kf2 1-0
[Event "Celle Ligure,ITA"]
[Site "Celle Ligure,ITA"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Jovanic, Ognjen"]
[Black "Mordiglia, Riccardo "]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B01"]
[PlyCount "84"]
1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qa5 4. d4 Nf6 5. Nf3 Bf5 6. Bd2 c6 7. Bc4 e6 8.
O-O Qc7 9. h3 Nbd7 10. Nh4 Bg6 11. Nxg6 hxg6 12. Qe2 O-O-O 13. Be3 Nb6 14. Bd3
Kb8 15. a3 Nbd5 16. Nxd5 Nxd5 17. b4 Nf4 18. Qd2 g5 19. f3 Bd6 20. Rad1 Nxd3
21. Qxd3 Bh2+ 22. Kh1 Bf4 23. c3 Rh4 24. Bxf4 Qxf4 25. Qe2 f6 26. Qxe6 Rdh8 27.
Kg1 Rxh3 28. gxh3 Qg3+ 29. Kh1 Rxh3+ 30. Qxh3 Qxh3+ 31. Kg1 Qg3+ 32. Kh1 g4 33.
Rd3 f5 34. c4 Kc7 35. a4 Kd6 36. d5 cxd5 37. Rxd5+ Ke6 38. f4 Qh3+ 39. Kg1 Qg3+
40. Kh1 Kf6 41. Rb5 Qh3+ 42. Kg1 g3 0-1
[Event "Ch Finland Helsinki"]
[Site "Ch Finland Helsinki"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "6"]
[White "Holmsten Aleksei"]
[Black "Meki-Uuro Miikka"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B01"]
[PlyCount "84"]
1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qa5 4. d4 Nf6 5. Bc4 c6 6. Nf3 Bg4 7. h3 Bh5 8.
Bd2 e6 9. Qe2 Bb4 10. g4 Bg6 11. Ne5 Nbd7 12. Nxd7 Kxd7 13. O-O-O Nd5 14. Ne4
Bxe4 15. Qxe4 Bxd2+ 16. Rxd2 Nc3 17. Qf3 Nxa2+ 18. Bxa2 Qxa2 19. Qxf7+ Kd6 20.
c4 Qa1+ 21. Kc2 Qxh1 22. c5+ Kd5 23. Qd7+ Kc4 24. b3+ Kb5 25. Qxb7+ Ka5 26. Rd1
Qe4+ 27. Kc3 Qf3+ 28. Rd3 Qxd3+ 29. Kxd3 Rhb8 30. Qc7+ Kb5 31. Qf7 Kb4 32. Qxe6
Ka3 33. Kc2 a5 34. Qxc6 a4 35. bxa4 Rxa4 36. Kd3 Rb1 37. Ke4 Re1+ 38. Kf5 Ra7
39. f4 h6 40. Kg6 Rae7 41. f5 Kb4 42. Qd6 Kc4 1-0
[Event "Ch Finland Team 97/9"]
[Site "Ch Finland Team 97/9"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Meki Veijo"]
[Black "Manninen Marko"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C13"]
[PlyCount "102"]
1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 dxe4 5. Nxe4 Be7 6. Bxf6 gxf6 7. Nf3 b6 8.
Bb5+ c6 9. Bd3 Bb7 10. Qe2 Qc7 11. O-O-O Nd7 12. Kb1 O-O-O 13. Ba6 Bxa6 14.
Qxa6+ Kb8 15. Qe2 Rhg8 16. g3 f5 17. Ned2 Bf6 18. Nc4 b5 19. Nce5 Nxe5 20. dxe5
Be7 21. Nd4 Qb6 22. c3 Bc5 23. Qh5 Bxd4 24. cxd4 Rxd4 25. Qxh7 Rgd8 26. Qh5 Rd2
27. Qf3 R8d3 28. Qxd3 Rxd3 29. Rxd3 Qxf2 30. h4 Qe2 31. Rdd1 Qh5 32. Rd7 c5 33.
Rdd1 Kc7 34. Rde1 Kc6 35. Re3 Kd5 36. Kc2 c4 37. Rd1+ Kc5 38. Rf1 Qg4 39. Rf4
Qh3 40. Rf2 f4 41. Rxf4 Qg2+ 42. Kc1 Qg1+ 43. Kd2 Qb1 44. Rxf7 Qxb2+ 45. Ke1
Kb6 46. Rf2 Qb1+ 47. Ke2 Qxa2+ 48. Kf3 Qb1 49. Kg4 b4 50. h5 c3 51. Ree2 b3 0-1
And here are a few where two rooks are superior to a queen.
[Event "- Rated Blitz Match / 3:3 The "]
[Site "- Rated Blitz Match / 3:3 The"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "36"]
[White "GREF {2435}"]
[Black "MoonShot"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "D27"]
[PlyCount "76"]
1. d4 d5 2. c4 dxc4 3. e3 Nf6 4. Bxc4 e6 5. Nf3 c5 6. O-O a6 7. a3 Qc7 8. Ba2
cxd4 9. exd4 Bd6 10. Nc3 O-O 11. Bg5 Bxa3 12. Bxf6 Bxb2 13. Ne4 Bxa1 14. Be5
Qc6 15. d5 exd5 16. Bxd5 Bxe5 17. Bxc6 Nxc6 18. Nxe5 Nxe5 19. Qd6 Re8 20. Nc5
Nc6 21. h3 a5 22. Ra1 Re7 23. Rd1 Be6 24. Nxb7 Rd7 25. Qxc6 Rxd1+ 26. Kh2 h6
27. Nc5 Rc8 28. Qb6 Bd5 29. Qxa5 Bxg2 30. Kxg2 Rd5 31. Qa7 Rdxc5 32. Qe7 R5c7
33. Qe5 Rc6 34. h4 Rc5 35. Qe3 Rc2 36. h5 R2c5 37. Qf3 Kf8 38. Kh2 Rd8 0-1
[Event "Allsvenskan Elit, Stockholm"]
[Site "Allsvenskan Elit, Stockholm"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "9"]
[White "Bjoerk Carl-Magnus (SWE)"]
[Black "Akesson Joel"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D11"]
[PlyCount "141"]
1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. g3 dxc4 5. Bg2 b5 6. a4 Bb7 7. Nc3 Nd5 8. O-O
a6 9. e4 Nxc3 10. bxc3 g6 11. e5 e6 12. Ng5 Be7 13. Ne4 Nd7 14. Bh6 Rg8 15. h4
Qc7 16. Qf3 Rb8 17. Rfb1 Nb6 18. Bg5 Nd5 19. Bxe7 Qxe7 20. Nc5 Kf8 21. axb5
cxb5 22. Nxa6 Nb4 23. Nxb8 Bxf3 24. Bxf3 Nd5 25. Bxd5 exd5 26. Rxb5 Kg7 27.
Rab1 Qc7 28. Na6 Qc6 29. Rb6 Qa4 30. Nb4 Rd8 31. Ra6 Qd7 32. Rba1 Qf5 33. Re1
Qf3 34. Re3 Qd1+ 35. Kg2 Qb3 36. Ra5 Qb2 37. Nxd5 Qb7 38. Kh2 Rxd5 39. Ra4 Qb2
40. Rf3 Qc2 41. Rf4 Qd2 42. Ra7 Qxc3 43. Rfxf7+ Kg8 44. Rfc7 Rd8 45. Rg7+ Kh8
46. Rxh7+ Kg8 47. Rag7+ Kf8 48. e6 Re8 49. Rxg6 Rxe6 50. Rxe6 Qxd4 51. Re2 Qd3
52. Rhe7 c3 53. R7e3 Qd1 54. Rf3+ Kg8 55. Re8+ Kg7 56. Rxc3 Qd4 57. Rf3 Qd5 58.
Rf4 Kg6 59. Rg8+ Kh6 60. Rg5 Qf7 61. Kg1 Qb7 62. Rf6+ Kh7 63. Kh2 Qb2 64. Rgf5
Qc2 65. Rf7+ Kg8 66. Rf4 Qe2 67. R4f5 Qc2 68. h5 Qd2 69. Kh3 Qd1 70. Rf8+ Kg7
71. R5f7+ 1-0
[Event "Allsvenskan Elit, Stockholm"]
[Site "Allsvenskan Elit, Stockholm"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "9"]
[White "Joel Eklund"]
[Black "Johan Eriksson"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "E81"]
[PlyCount "87"]
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. f3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Nc3 O-O 6. Bg5 a6 7. Qd2 Nc6 8. Nge2
Rb8 9. d5 Ne5 10. Nd4 c5 11. Nc2 Re8 12. Be2 b5 13. cxb5 axb5 14. Bxb5 Rxb5 15.
Nxb5 Nc4 16. Qe2 Qa5+ 17. Kf2 Nxb2 18. a4 e6 19. Rhb1 exd5 20. Nxd6 Ba6 21.
Nxe8 Nxe4+ 22. fxe4 Bxe2 23. Nf6+ Bxf6 24. Bxf6 Nd1+ 25. Kxe2 Qa6+ 26. Kxd1
Qd3+ 27. Ke1 Qxe4+ 28. Kf1 Qf4+ 29. Kg1 Qxf6 30. a5 Qa6 31. Rd1 d4 32. Kh1 f5
33. Nxd4 cxd4 34. Rxd4 Qf6 35. Rad1 Qa6 36. Rd5 f4 37. h3 h5 38. h4 f3 39. Rd8+
Kf7 40. R1d7+ Ke6 41. Rd6+ Qxd6 42. Rxd6+ Kxd6 43. gxf3 Kc5 44. Kh2 1-0
[Event "Bad Zwesten,GER"]
[Site "Bad Zwesten,GER"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Majer, Damir"]
[Black "Meijers, Viesturs"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D55"]
[PlyCount "69"]
1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Be7 5. cxd5 exd5 6. e3 O-O 7. Bd3 Nbd7 8.
Nf3 b6 9. O-O Bb7 10. Qc2 Re8 11. Rae1 a6 12. Bxf6 Nxf6 13. Ne5 c5 14. f4 c4
15. Bf5 g6 16. Rf3 Bf8 17. Rg3 Re7 18. Qe2 Bg7 19. Bc2 b5 20. f5 Qd6 21. Rf1
Nh5 22. Qxh5 gxh5 23. f6 Rxe5 24. Rxg7+ Kf8 25. dxe5 Qxe5 26. Bxh7 Ke8 27. Bg6
Qxe3+ 28. Kh1 d4 29. Bxf7+ Kf8 30. Bd5 Bxd5 31. Nxd5 Qe2 32. Kg1 Re8 33. Ne7
Rxe7 34. Rxe7 Qd2 35. f7 1-0
[Event "Berlin Summer Open"]
[Site "Berlin Summer Open"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Jeremic, Dusan"]
[Black "Burmakin, Vladimir "]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B13"]
[PlyCount "96"]
1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. exd5 cxd5 4. Bd3 Nc6 5. Ne2 Nb4 6. Bb5+ Bd7 7. Bxd7+ Qxd7
8. c3 Nc6 9. Bf4 Nf6 10. O-O e6 11. Nd2 Bd6 12. Bxd6 Qxd6 13. Re1 O-O 14. Ng3
Rfc8 15. Nh5 Nxh5 16. Qxh5 b5 17. Nf3 h6 18. g4 Qf4 19. Re3 b4 20. Ne1 bxc3 21.
bxc3 Nd8 22. Ng2 Qf6 23. h4 Rab8 24. g5 Qf5 25. Rf3 Rb1+ 26. Kh2 Qxf3 27. Qxf3
Rxa1 28. gxh6 gxh6 29. Qf6 Rxa2 30. Ne3 h5 31. Kg2 Nb7 32. Qe7 Rxc3 33. Nxd5
exd5 34. Qxb7 Rcc2 35. Qxd5 Rxf2+ 36. Kg3 Rg2+ 37. Kf3 a5 38. Qd8+ Kg7 39. d5
a4 40. d6 a3 41. Qa5 Raf2+ 42. Ke3 Re2+ 43. Kf3 a2 44. d7 Ref2+ 45. Ke3 Rd2 46.
Qxa2 Rxa2 47. d8=Q Ra3+ 48. Kf4 Rg4+ 0-1
[Event "Bled SLO-chB20"]
[Site "Bled SLO-chB20"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Pregarac, V."]
[Black "Napast, V."]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "D35"]
[PlyCount "108"]
1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. cxd5 exd5 5. Bg5 Be7 6. e3 O-O 7. Bd3 c6 8.
Nge2 Re8 9. f3 Nbd7 10. O-O Nf8 11. Ng3 Ne6 12. Bxf6 Bxf6 13. b4 g6 14. Qb3 Qb6
15. Nce2 h5 16. Rfe1 h4 17. Nf1 Ng7 18. Rad1 Nf5 19. Bb1 Be6 20. Nf4 Bd7 21.
Kh1 Re7 22. Nd3 Rae8 23. Nc5 Bc8 24. Qc3 Nd6 25. e4 dxe4 26. Nxe4 Nxe4 27. fxe4
Bg4 28. Rd2 Bg5 29. Rb2 a6 30. Ne3 Bxe3 31. Rxe3 Rd7 32. Rd2 Red8 33. Red3 Qb5
34. Qc5 Qa4 35. a3 Qb5 36. h3 Be6 37. Qc3 Qg5 38. Ba2 Bxa2 39. Rxa2 Qf6 40. Ra1
Rxd4 41. Rad1 Rxd3 42. Qxf6 Rxd1+ 43. Kh2 Re8 44. Qxh4 Rd4 45. Qf4 Rdxe4 46.
Qc7 R8e7 47. Qd8+ Kg7 48. Qb6 Rd7 49. a4 Re2 50. h4 Re1 51. g3 Re2+ 52. Kh3 f5
53. h5 Kh6 54. hxg6 Rd1 0-1
[Event "Campeonato Aberto do Brasil-Po"]
[Site "Campeonato Aberto do Brasil-P"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Leomar Borges"]
[Black "Carlos Alberto Sega"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "E60"]
[PlyCount "83"]
1. Nf3 Nf6 2. b3 g6 3. Bb2 Bg7 4. e3 d6 5. d4 O-O 6. Be2 Nbd7 7. O-O e5 8. dxe5
Ng4 9. c4 Ngxe5 10. Nc3 Nxf3+ 11. Bxf3 Ne5 12. Be2 Re8 13. Qd2 Be6 14. f4 Nd7
15. Bf3 Qc8 16. Rfe1 a5 17. Rad1 a4 18. Nxa4 Bxb2 19. Qxb2 Bxc4 20. bxc4 Rxa4
21. Bxb7 Qb8 22. Qb5 Nb6 23. Bc6 Rf8 24. Rd4 Rxa2 25. f5 Qa7 26. Qb1 Qa3 27.
Qe4 Qc3 28. Qh4 Ra5 29. Bd5 Nxd5 30. cxd5 Re8 31. Rc4 Qe5 32. Rxc7 Qxf5 33. Rf1
Qxd5 34. Rcxf7 Qxf7 35. Rxf7 Kxf7 36. Qxh7+ Kf6 37. Qd7 Ra1+ 38. Kf2 Re6 39.
Qc8 Ra2+ 40. Kf3 Kf7 41. Qb7+ Kf6 42. g4 0-1
White to move.
Who is better?
Of the 21 possible moves, 9 draw and 12 win for black.
After 1. Qd6 black has 20 possible moves of which 6 draw and 14 lose. The quickest loss is 1. ... Rd8 which loses in 33 moves. 1. ... Rd8 might actually look an obvious move to many players with black but could you (as white win it). Of the 29 possible white moves now only 1 wins and 28 draw. What is it?
Originally posted by Dragon FireHas to be 2. Qe6+ because then black has to move the king to f8. then white plays 3. Qf6+. Since black has to stay in the 8th rank, one of the rooks falls.
White to move.
Who is better?
[fen]r3k2r/8/8/8/8/8/8/3QK3[/fen]
Of the 21 possible moves, 9 draw and 12 win for black.
After 1. Qd6 black has 20 possible moves of which 6 draw and 14 lose. The quickest loss is 1. ... Rd8 which loses in 33 moves. 1. ... Rd8 might actually look an obvious move to many players with black but could you (as white win it). Of the 29 possible white moves now only 1 wins and 28 draw. What is it?
Originally posted by sh76Of course, and then even with only a single rook and with best play from white it takes 33 moves to win.
Has to be 2. Qe6+ because then black has to move the king to f8. then white plays 3. Qf6+. Since black has to stay in the 8th rank, one of the rooks falls.
Now I realise this position is not typical and Rd8 was a particularly careless move. Usually there are some pawns on the board that make all the difference but the point I wanted to make is simple. It is not easy for 2Rs to win against a Q and it is not easy for a Q to win against a single R.
So should you exchange off a Q for 2Rs or should you avoid it? Its a decision I hate to make but there must be a few general rules.
(1) the Rooks need to work together so need open lines where they can join up and come to bear on their targets.
(2) the Queen will come into her own when the board is blocked up and the Rooks cannot work well together.
In the end the side that gets the 2Rs and a few pawns or the Q and a few pawns is likely to be the side that wins.
Very roughly speaking, the rooks are better at exploiting weak pawns (esp. isolated pawns), and the queen does best when the enemy king is exposed.
A recent game with Q v. 2 Rs. I thought the rooks were better, certainly with the extra P but even after Ps were even again.
Okay, I compiled a small database of Queen vs Rook endings where each side has 6 pawns. Since we can only post a single pgn on the player on this site I uploaded an html + javascript page to view these games separately at www.personalchesstraining.com
On the body of the page click on:
Queen + 6 Pawns vs 2 Rooks + 6 Pawns Ending
This is a large html file so it may take a few seconds to load.
This should provide examples where the queen wins, loses, and draws. Now, find the themes and reasons for these results and document them on this forum.