The following is a problem I found on a national mathematics exam.
Suppose you have two distinguishable flagpoles. You also have 19 flags. Ten of these flags are identical red flags while the other 9 are identical yellow flags. Find the number of distinguishable arrangements using all of the flags in which each pole has at least one flag and no two yellow flags on either pole are adjacent.
Originally posted by LemonJelloWhy would I want to do something like that?
The following is a problem I found on a national mathematics exam.
Suppose you have two distinguishable flagpoles. You also have 19 flags. Ten of these flags are identical red flags while the other 9 are identical yellow flags. Find the number of distinguishable arrangements using all of the flags in which each pole has at least one flag and no two yellow flags on either pole are adjacent.
Originally posted by LemonJellocombinations or permutations, clean this up if you would..
The following is a problem I found on a national mathematics exam.
Suppose you have two distinguishable flagpoles. You also have 19 flags. Ten of these flags are identical red flags while the other 9 are identical yellow flags. Find the number of distinguishable arrangements using all of the flags in which each pole has at least one flag and no two yellow flags on either pole are adjacent.
Originally posted by eldragonfly"distinguishable" implies permutations, but a permutation using different but identical members is ignored.
combinations or permutations, clean this up if you would..
for example
XXO is different from XOX, but swapping the Xs results in the same permutation of XXO, so you only count it once.
Originally posted by forkedknightThe problem stipulates that you are to "find the number of distinguishable arrangements using all of the flags in which each pole has at least one flag and no two yellow flags on either pole are adjacent." Among other things, that is intended to mean that you are limited to arrangements that use all 19 flags, which greatly constrains the problem.
this problem is too time intensive for me because you have to account for all possibilities of different numbers of each type of flag used
the problem would be difficult enough if you had to use all 19 flags, but allowing different numbers creates a very very large number of possibilities.
You seem to be considering a different problem, which I would agree with you is a more time intensive one.
Originally posted by LemonJellothis is silly lemmonjelly.
You have two flagpoles.
You also have 19 flags.
There are 10 red flags and there are 9 yellow flags.
Find the number of separate combinations using all of the flags in which each pole has at least one flag and no two yellow flags on either pole are adjacent.
Originally posted by eldragonflyWell, given our interactions in the past, you must know by now I reserve precious little respect for your mathematical endowments. I place your thoughts and input on such matters somewhat below those of the retarded.
this is silly lemmonjelly.
You need to consider 5 cases, and then multiply by 2
Number of yellow flags on a pole:
9:
one red flag on the other pole, and 8 flags in between the yellows, so there are 11 places for the last red flag to go
11 * 2 = 22
8:
one yellow flag on the other pole, and 7 flags in between the Y's
therefore 3 red flags and 11 places to put them, so
C(11,3) + 2 * C(11,2) + 11 = (165+ 110 +11) * 2 = 572
7:
once again, 7 R's in between the Y's and 3 remianing R's to place
= 572
6:
same deal
= 572
5:
same again
= 572
Therefore 4 * 572 + 22 = 2299 ways
Originally posted by forkedknight4*572 + 22 = 2310 (not 2299).
You need to consider 5 cases, and then multiply by 2
Number of yellow flags on a pole:
9:
one red flag on the other pole, and 8 flags in between the yellows, so there are 11 places for the last red flag to go
11 * 2 = 22
8:
one yellow flag on the other pole, and 7 flags in between the Y's
therefore 3 red flags and 11 places to put them, so ...[text shortened]... 72
6:
same deal
= 572
5:
same again
= 572
Therefore 4 * 572 + 22 = 2299 ways
And that's the correct answer. Good work.
Originally posted by LemonJelloi only restated your problem in clear language, you don't know me at all ; that makes your childish statements and namby pampy conclusions a bit strange my man. 😉
Well, given our interactions in the past, you must know by now I reserve precious little respect for your mathematical endowments. I place your thoughts and input on such matters somewhat below those of the retarded.
You have two flagpoles.
You also have 19 flags.
There are 10 red flags and there are 9 yellow flags.
Find the number of separate combinations using all of the flags in which each pole has at least one flag and no two yellow flags on either pole are adjacent.
this problem is still poorly worded lemmonjelly, eg. what about the case for symmetry does that count as 1 combination or two? In other words the case for 2 flagpoles and 1 red and 1 yellow flag, counts as 1 combination or 2 separate combinations, ie, if you switch/exchange flags from one pole to another.
Originally posted by eldragonflyThe problem was just fine the way I initially stated it. Do you seriously not understand what 'distinguishable' is there supposed to convey?
You have two flagpoles.
You also have 19 flags.
There are 10 red flags and there are 9 yellow flags.
Find the number of separate combinations using all of the flags in which each pole has at least one flag and no two yellow flags on either pole are adjacent.
this problem is still poorly worded lemmonjelly, eg. what about the case for symmetry do ...[text shortened]... mbination or 2 separate combinations, ie, if you switch/exchange flags from one pole to another.
Originally posted by eldragonflyBull. Your restatement is ambiguous and does not faithfully preserve the problem as I initially presented it, which made clear that the poles are distinguishable whereas flags of a given color are not.
i only restated your problem in clear language,
You are functionally illiterate my man. please answer the question lemmonjelly, it is a simple one. eg. what about the case for symmetry does that count as 1 combination or two? In other words the case for 2 flagpoles and 1 red and 1 yellow flag, counts as 1 combination or 2 separate combinations, ie, if you switch/exchange flags from one pole to another. 🙄