20 Oct 08
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Originally posted by KellyJay…Well there you go, no words have a true meaning so we can call them
Well there you go, no words have a true meaning so we can call them
all whatever we will, it doesn't matter.
Kelly
all whatever we will, it doesn't matter. ..…
Nobody is implying here that words have no meaning but it is correct to say it “doesn't matter” what meaning people in a narrow field give to a word in the narrow field as long as people in that field of science or discipline are in general mutual agreement on what that word should mean in their discipline even if it deviates from the standard meaning of the word (I.e. the usual meaning of the word in everyday life).
When I studied electronics, I learned that the word “potential” means the same as “voltage” in the context of electronics (because it is the ‘potential’ to create electric current -this is not to be confused with electric current itself).
Would you be deeply offended by the electrician’s use of this word “potential” ?
Would you completely ignore the narrow context and insist that the “correct” meaning of the word “potential” is NOT “voltage” PERIOD! ?
-answer -no. -but you would reject the use of “design” in the context of evolution -so what is the difference between the two? -answer -saying “potential” means “voltage” doesn’t offend your religious beliefs -this has nothing to do with reason or logical argument.
21 Oct 08
Originally posted by KellyJayJust thinking about your requirement there be a god who has nothing better to do than to direct the evolution of literally billions of separate species on earth, deciding when to off a species, deciding when to introduce a new strain, deciding when a typhoon should wipe out an island, where the next volcanic eruption takes place that puts new ground in the ocean for new ground growth, your god must not be too happy being a slave for the edification and perfection of mankind, since we are, according to you and your religious cronies, the pinnacle of creation and the last 4 billion, oops, 10,000 years have been to direct things so we specifically come about. This is the most arrogant part of so-called christianity, that humans would have their own slave god. And you and your buddies think all that BS is real. That in of itself is mind boggling. You engage in semantic quibbling when you think it somehow furthers your so-called argument when in fact all it does is to make you look more and more like a desparate little man in need of your own personal slave god.
Wow, you got all of that out of me saying it takes a designer with
intent to have a designed process.
Kelly
21 Oct 08
Originally posted by Andrew HamiltonDesign and patterns can mean the same thing too; however, when
[b]…Well there you go, no words have a true meaning so we can call them
all whatever we will, it doesn't matter. ..…
Nobody is implying here that words have no meaning but it is correct to say it “doesn't matter” what meaning people in a narrow field give to a word in the narrow field as long as people in that field of science or discipline ...[text shortened]... doesn’t offend your religious beliefs -this has nothing to do with reason or logical argument.[/b]
speaking of processes, you flipped the meaning of the word design
completely. I can show you voltage and potential as you describe
them, I'm still asking you to produce a dictionary to prove your point!
Kelly
21 Oct 08
Originally posted by sonhousePlease, create a new thread with YOUR thoughts and quit using
Just thinking about your requirement there be a god who has nothing better to do than to direct the evolution of literally billions of separate species on earth, deciding when to off a species, deciding when to introduce a new strain, deciding when a typhoon should wipe out an island, where the next volcanic eruption takes place that puts new ground in the ...[text shortened]... make you look more and more like a desparate little man in need of your own personal slave god.
statements of mine that have nothing to do with the crap your spewing
to say things like this.
Kelly
21 Oct 08
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Originally posted by KellyJay…I'm still asking you to produce a dictionary to prove your point! ..…
Design and patterns can mean the same thing too; however, when
speaking of processes, you flipped the meaning of the word design
completely. I can show you voltage and potential as you describe
them, I'm still asking you to produce a dictionary to prove your point!
Kelly
I have already proved my point and a dictionary wouldn’t either prove nor disprove my point because the meaning I refer to is non-standard.
21 Oct 08
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Originally posted by KellyJayBut don't create a thread of creationism in the Science Forum.
Please, create a new thread with YOUR thoughts and quit using
statements of mine that have nothing to do with the crap your spewing
to say things like this.
Kelly
This Forum is littered too much of creationism as it is.
Creationism is religion, not Science.
22 Oct 08
Originally posted by Andrew HamiltonJust so you know, dictionaries declare non-standard uses of the words
[b]…I'm still asking you to produce a dictionary to prove your point! ..…
I have already proved my point and a dictionary wouldn’t either prove nor disprove my point because the meaning I refer to is non-standard.[/b]
too. If you follow the words that have several definitions they are
typically numbered with the more common uses on top and less
common on the bottom. FIND ONE THAT ACKNOWLEDGES your belief
you can have a designed process without a designer please, how hard
can that be if it is so true? If you cannot, just admit it!
Kelly
22 Oct 08
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Originally posted by Andrew HamiltonYou have another problem evolutionist here seem to have beside
[b]…I'm still asking you to produce a dictionary to prove your point! ..…
I have already proved my point and a dictionary wouldn’t either prove nor disprove my point because the meaning I refer to is non-standard.[/b]
destroying the English language, you are under the impression
that repeating your point is proves it.
Kelly
22 Oct 08
Originally posted by KellyJayIs english your primary language? Looking at that statement makes me wonder if you actually read what you write or just post after typing without corrections.
You have another problem evolutionist here seem to have beside
destroying the English language, you are under the impression
that repeating your point is proves it.
Kelly
22 Oct 08
Originally posted by KellyJaySo why are you keep posting anti-science things, like creation, at the Science Forum? Why not preaching your religion, creationism, at the Spiritual Forum, where it's supposed to be?
I agree creation is a religious belief and it isn't science.
Kelly
22 Oct 08
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Originally posted by FabianFnasI think it is because he is not only against atheism but also against science for making discoveries that he finds highly offensive because they contradict his very literal interpretation of the Bible.
So why are you keep posting anti-science things, like creation, at the Science Forum? Why not preaching your religion, creationism, at the Spiritual Forum, where it's supposed to be?
If I am right, to him it isn’t just a simple case of theism verses atheism but rather it is a case of those particular bits of science that he finds offensive verses his very narrow version of theism which he regards as the only “correct” one.
P.S. this is not an excuse for him to put religion in the science forum.
22 Oct 08
Originally posted by Andrew HamiltonCouldn't agree more.
I think it is because he is not only against atheism but also against science for making discoveries that he finds highly offensive because they contradict his very literal interpretation of the Bible.
If I am right, to him it isn’t just a simple case of theism verses atheism but rather it is a case of those particular bits of science that he finds ...[text shortened]... only “correct” one.
P.S. this is not an excuse for him to put religion in the science forum.
One thing I cannot understand is that most of christians don't share his view about creationism, yet he think he has the Truth in his hand.
If I someone had the Noble Truth in his hand, some humility wouldn't be totally wrong. In fact, humbleness gives the bearer some credibility.
Perhaps he knows that in Spiritual Forum, his would-be playground, I cannot argue as vivid as in this playground that is ours, ours, who know a little of science.
22 Oct 08
Originally posted by sonhouse🙂 You have a point, from time to time I'll post when I should be
Is english your primary language? Looking at that statement makes me wonder if you actually read what you write or just post after typing without corrections.
sleeping and do not check my how I say things.
Kelly