15 Mar 20
@ponderable saidWere you drinking while writing that last paragraph?
In destillation you do what is called "cutting fractions" anyway. So everything that comes below something like 75°C is discarded, in this fraction the Methanol is concentrated.
After the temperature rose to about 80°C the next cut is done. All colected in the inbetween is your distilled product.
The problem with distillation is that it also cuts the aromes. So a lot ...[text shortened]... r twise a fortnight. More seldom I drink a glas or wto of beer and much more seldom I take a schnaps
15 Mar 20
@handyandy saidForgive me if the implication is that this happens every day. I did not write that, and that is not what happens. I have work! (Not that I ever drink enough to get hungover, but I do worry that it affects my productivity.). The only time I really exceed 90ml is if I go to a club, which isn't very often.
Your question was, "I'd like to know how this (pouring myself a triple, 90ml, of my favourite gin into a crystal tumbler to sip while reading before bed) is affecting me."
The answer is that it probably affects you adversely if it's an essential part of your daily routine. It's difficult to think of two shots of gin every night as "moderation."
My consumption varies. Sometimes I'll imbibe three nights in a row (typically on weekends). Sometimes I won't have any for a fortnight. The way social occasions work in a wine-making area means that it is very common, though.
15 Mar 20
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@shavixmir said🍾= 1 measure.
🍾= 1 measure.
Don’t exceed 3 a day.
That is moderation.
How anyone can live with people (or discuss things with people on this forum) without at least alcohol blunting the brain, is beyond me.
trump supporters! Hahaha.
See, normally that would just freak me out.
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Oh, you wish a serious answer.
Can you cope two weeks without drinking in your normal setting ...[text shortened]... mes a week. I’ll only drink wine whilst cooking when doing something special; usually on the Sunday.
Don’t exceed 3 a day.
That is moderation.
Three bottles or three glasses? There's quite a big difference!
I'm not a wine guy. Give me a Macallan 18 sherry oak finish and I'm on board.
16 Mar 20
@ashiitaka said125 ml is generally considered a glass
This is the problem. What counts as "one glass"?
(used to be the standard size in UK pubs)
A sixth of a bottle, 1 unit of alcohol.
16 Mar 20
@humy saidReally?
and its also myth that antioxidants in food or drink generally give health benefits; they don't.
I know anti-oxidant pills have been shown to give no benefits but what about fruit & veg.?
16 Mar 20
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@wolfgang59 saidfruit & veg give health benefits but generally not because of their antioxidants.
Really?
I know anti-oxidant pills have been shown to give no benefits but what about fruit & veg.?
You also have to take into small account that when an antioxidant found in fruit & veg is packaged into a pill, research shows than often makes it no longer in exactly the same chemical form and this is thought to somehow effect its health benefits, and usually for the worse!
16 Mar 20
@wolfgang59 saidDo you have a reference for that - I vaguely heard that and I'm wondering what the evidence is. Quite often the "evidence" for the benefits of these things is "expert opinion", or worse marketing from producers. The evidence against such benefits comes from prospective cohort studies, which may be too small to detect effects. Worse the people who take these things tend to be health conscious anyway so the data, such as it is, is pretty confounded. Really one needs a trial in people like Wayne and Waynetta, the slobs from Harry Enfield.
Really?
I know anti-oxidant pills have been shown to give no benefits but what about fruit & veg.?
The health advice isn't and oughtn't to be to take vitamin pills. It's don't eat blocks of lard, unless you actually are making an Arctic/Antarctic crossing, don't drink too much too frequently, do some exercise and so on. Vitamin pills are right down at the bottom of the list and won't compensate for eating lard.
18 Mar 20
@deepthought saidA few years ago I was reading a medical journal (in the doctor's surgery actually)
Vitamin pills are right down at the bottom of the list and won't compensate for eating lard.
and read that vitamin pills and mineral supplements had never been shown
to provide any benefits! The only testing is to make sure they are not harmful.
Frankly I was astounded.
18 Mar 20
In the late 1940's "population studies" were begun to discover the effect of diet & lifestyle on health. The earliest was the Framingham Study. Preliminary results of one of these showed that "moderate" drinkers
( defined as 2 drinks a day ) were slightly less likely to die of heart disease. The alcoholic beverage industry ran with this harder than the Cowboys in the Red zone. This became part of the national culture. I saw a movie made in the 1950's where the hero said he was going to have a drink "for his heart". More data, and more sophisticated examination of the existing data, revealed the rest of the story. Drinkers were slightly less likely to die of heart disease because they were more likely to die of other causes : liver disease, pancreatitis, diabetes, other metabolic diseases, infections and cancer. Drinkers definitely have a lower life expectancy. Every alcoholic drink shortens your life.
18 Mar 20
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@little-ernie saidYes. All correct. I am afraid all those early small scale studies were flawed and NO amount of alcohol consumption has an overall benefit to health;
In the late 1940's "population studies" were begun to discover the effect of diet & lifestyle on health. The earliest was the Framingham Study. Preliminary results of one of these showed that "moderate" drinkers
( defined as 2 drinks a day ) were slightly less likely to die of heart disease. The alcoholic beverage industry ran with this harder than the Cowboys in the ...[text shortened]... cancer. Drinkers definitely have a lower life expectancy. Every alcoholic drink shortens your life.
https://www.npr.org/2018/08/24/641618937/no-amount-of-alcohol-is-good-for-your-health-global-study-claims?t=1584516086145
"...Countless scientific studies have espoused the idea that a glass of red wine a day can be good for the heart, but a new, sweeping global study published in The Lancet on Friday rejects the notion that any drinking can be healthy.
No amount of alcohol is safe, according to The Global Burden of Diseases study, which analyzed levels of alcohol use and its health effects in 195 countries from 1990 to 2016.
While the study's authors say that moderate drinking may safeguard people against heart disease, they found that the potential to develop cancer and other diseases offsets these potential benefits, as do other risks of harm.
..."
And;
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/aug/23/no-healthy-level-of-alcohol-consumption-says-major-study
"...Even the occasional drink is harmful to health, according to the largest and most detailed research carried out on the effects of alcohol, ..."
There is now no scientific doubt about that and there actually has been no doubt about that for years but unfortunately old health myths always die very hard; A situation not helped by some alcohol marketeers, who don't really cure about other peoples health, keep pushing the old scientifically debunked myths, the red-wine myth being one example, just to sell their alcohol.