06 Mar 12
Originally posted by KewpiePerhaps you were wondering about my motives. Or maybe you simply had no idea how to answer it? I was just hoping you could help answer the questions.
It seems the fundies have invaded the science forum and are determined to drive the usual participants away. Perhaps we should rename it Spirituality Two.
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06 Mar 12
Originally posted by twhiteheadAnd as the common ancestor of all birds was not only a reptile but a dinosaur all birds must
Our classification system has varied over time. However, modern classification is tending towards a hierarchical one, and birds should be considered reptiles, and man should be classified as a monkey.
According to Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReptileAdditionally, birds are included in Reptilia under phylogenetic definitions.
also be considered to be dinosaurs.
So they didn't ALL go extinct.
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06 Mar 12
Originally posted by tim88If you have genuine questions about evolution and how it works please ask them.
Perhaps you were wondering about my motives. Or maybe you simply had no idea how to answer it? I was just hoping you could help answer the questions.
If you genuinely want to understand and discuss the topic then I and I suspect many
others here would happily answer your questions.
However there are quite a few people (like RJHinds) who come here simply to preach
unreason, and to troll, who have no desire to actually debate anything.
And evolution tends to be the topic that most draws them out.
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06 Mar 12
Originally posted by twhiteheadAlso...
Our classification system has varied over time. However, modern classification is tending towards a hierarchical one, and birds should be considered reptiles, and man should be classified as a monkey.
According to Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReptileAdditionally, birds are included in Reptilia under phylogenetic definitions.
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06 Mar 12
Originally posted by kevcvs57Even the simple minded understand that apes don't evolve into humans.
Duh! I never used to understand the need for religion but now I realise it gives the simple minded something to do in their spare time when they are not licking windows.
It is only those that have complicated their minds with the ridiculous ideas
of science fiction that can't understand this simple fact. 😏
06 Mar 12
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Originally posted by googlefudgeSurely a distinction must be drawn between the dinosaurs and their descendants, if for no other reason for classification purposes alone. Or am I wrong. I know we descended from the Australopithicines (sp?), but are we Australopithicines as well? From my understanding, our classification system doesn't work this way. I was under the impression that at some point in genetic time, or perhaps some range in genetic time, an arbitrary distinction was drawn that separated us into two (or more!) species.
And as the common ancestor of all birds was not only a reptile but a dinosaur all birds must
also be considered to be dinosaurs.
So they didn't ALL go extinct.
So while I agree that the dinosaurs didn't go extinct, I'm not sure whether birds must be considered dinosaurs. But I am not well-versed in this subject, and should read up before posting probably.
06 Mar 12
Originally posted by RJHindsNo; only the simple minded do not understand that we are of the ape family we did not evolve from monkeys but we share a common ancestor with them. As usual the bible thumping section of christianity resorts to being obtuse when faced with facts they cannot refute or fit into the fairy tale land of the bible.
Even the simple minded understand that apes don't evolve into humans.
It is only those that have complicated their minds with the ridiculous ideas
of science fiction that can't understand this simple fact. 😏
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06 Mar 12
As a response to the last two posts I would like to repost and recommend this video.
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Which talks about the latest classification systems and how they work and specifically deals with us.
The point being that while we obviously didn't evolve from modern monkeys but from a common ancestor
to us and modern monkeys. This common ancestor would also be classified as a monkey and thus we are
both descended from monkeys but we still in fact are monkeys.
While it does not deal with birds still being dinosaurs it does deal with snakes still being a type of lizard.
06 Mar 12
Originally posted by googlefudgeThats cool I have no problem with being a monkey. Just not sure how much we can simplify the classification system before it becomes useless for the practical exercise of describing something in shorthand. Is it not still true to say that all monkeys share a common ancestor that was not a monkey.
As a response to the last two posts I would like to repost and recommend this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A-dMqEbSk8&feature=related
Which talks about the latest classification systems and how they work and specifically deals with us.
The point being that while we obviously didn't evolve from modern monkeys but from a common ancestor ...[text shortened]... ot deal with birds still being dinosaurs it does deal with snakes still being a type of lizard.
P.s I could'nt hear the video to well because a monkey that lives with me was watching some monkeys on the telly who had eaten far to much and were being classified as 'Super Size' monkeys.