16 Sep 11
Originally posted by sonhouseI have told you why the 4 billion was referenced in previous posting but you simply disregard the information.
And you are the one just as deluded as any christian or muslim.
You have the gall to tell us the whole universe is 4 billion miles across then change that to 16,000 light years.
Modern science has moved so far beyond your ridiculous vedas it is not funny. Maybe that claptrap you try to peddle convinced ancient uneducated people but it doesn't fly to ...[text shortened]... rs in the universe just based on the travel of rocks through the galaxy, our galaxy and others.
The specific Bhagavatam verse gives reference to size at the beginning of creation billions of years ago when the universes where manifested from the body of Lord Vishnu and at that time the universe was only 4 billion miles across but it expanded to its present size.
Your modern science does not have the greater perspective of its cosmology because actually there are parallel universes and other dimensions that modern science is not aware of - but the Vedas does have this larger perspective.
Without this larger perspective Vedic conclusions will always seem far fetched.
You cannot take verses from the Veda out of context and without being aware of their greater perspective and to do so purposely is dishonest.
"Could have seeded life"...... is not truth but wishful thinking and not science.
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Modern science borrows from the Veda
Surya Siddhanta
In Surya Siddhanta, bhaskaraachaarya calculates the time taken for the earth on orbit the sun to 9 decimal places (365.258756484 days). The modern accepted measurement is 365.2596 days.
The different between the ancient Indian measurement (1500 years ago) and the modern measurement is only 0.00085 days (0.0002😵. Bharat has given the world the idea of smallest and largest measure of time – from 34,000th a second (Kranti) to 4.32 billion years (kalpa).
(Bhugoladhyaya , surya sidhanta). Arya bhatta was the first to deduce that the earth is round. It must be mentioned that western science accepted that earth is spherical only in 14th century. Also he was the first to postulate it is the earth that rotates and the stars are stationary. This was about a 1000 year before Copernicus.
The globe of earth stands suspended in space at the center of a circular frame that is at the center of the Bhagola surrounded by water, soil, fire and air and is circular on all sided that is spherical’.
(Aryabhattiya - chapter 4, verse 6)
[ modern science - earth has a core - molten magma, different layers of rocks, soil, water and atmosphere]
Day length -
23 hrs – 56 mts – 4 scds – 0.1 fractions – ‘aryabhatta’
23 hrs – 56 mts – 4 scds – 0.091 fractions – modern value
Aryabhatta gives the radius of the planetary orbits in terms of the radius of the Earth/Sun orbit as essentially their periods of rotation around the Sun. He believes that the Moon and planets shine by reflected sunlight, incredibly he believes that the orbits of the planets are ellipses. He correctly explains the causes of eclipses of the Sun and the Moon.
Aryabhatta gave an accurate approximation for π. He wrote in the Aryabhattiya the following:-
Add four to one hundred, multiply by eight and then add sixty-two thousand. the result is approximately the circumference of a circle of diameter twenty thousand. By this rule the relation of the circumference to diameter is given.
This gives π = 62832/20000 = 3.1416 which is a surprisingly accurate value. In fact π = 3.14159265 correct to 8 places.
The Surya Siddhanta contains the roots of modern trigonometry. It uses sine (jya, cosine (kojya or "perpendicular sine" and inverse sine (otkram jya for the first time, and also contains the earliest use of the tangent and secant when discussing the shadow cast by a gnomon in verses 21–22 of Chapter 3:
Of [the sun's meridian zenith distance] find the jya ("base sine" and kojya (cosine or "perpendicular sine". If then the jya and radius be multiplied respectively by the measure of the gnomon in digits, and divided by the kojya, the results are the shadow and hypotenuse at mid-day.
In modern notation, this gives the shadow of the gnomon at mid-day as
s = \frac{g \sin \theta}{\cos \theta} = g \tan \theta
and the hypotenuse of the gnomon at mid-day as
h = \frac{g r}{\cos \theta} = g r \frac{1}{\cos \theta} = g r \sec \theta
where \ g is the measure of the gnomon, \ r is the radius of the gnomon, \ s is the shadow of the gnomon, and \ h is the hypotenuse of the gnomon.
17 Sep 11
Originally posted by DasaYou are the one giving us the size of the universe, I just pointed out that is not even vaguely close to correct. Are you saying the universe was 4 billion miles wide when it was created and now is umteen billion light years across like science now shows?
I have told you why the 4 billion was referenced in previous posting but you simply disregard the information.
The specific Bhagavatam verse gives reference to size at the beginning of creation billions of years ago when the universes where manifested from the body of Lord Vishnu and at that time the universe was only 4 billion miles across but it expanded ...[text shortened]... s the shadow of the gnomon, and \ h is the hypotenuse of the gnomon.
Nobody would dispute the ancient knowledge of math and a decent approximation of PI. The ancient Chinese were a hair's breadth away from figuring out calculus but just missed it and it had to wait a few thousand years till Newton and Leibniz came along and independently developed calculus. We give Newton the credit but use Leibniz's annotations, he invented the symbol for integration we now use.
The ancient Chinese were delving into cutting circles into smaller and smaller slices and if they had followed that with the study of limits would have developed calculus 3000 years ago. It would have been a different world if that had happened.
Modern big bang theory (which is only one of several ideas as to the birth of our universe) says it was at one time a tiny singularity that had all the mass and energy our universe would ever have all balled up in something smaller than an atom.
The way Alan Guth and others developed that idea ended up fitting most of what we know about the universe as seen through optical and radio telescopes.
We think one thing about the universe that has proven true so far: The values of physics are the same 10 billion light years away and 10 billion years ago as they are now.
Given that, and knowing what we now know about atomic physics, we can give fairly accurate estimates as to the distance of stars and galaxies based on the idea if a standard candle star is such and such a brightness, it is at such and such a distance, based on the idea the speed of light is the same here as it is there so giving a distance and when you do that a million times and the distances are all consistent with one another, you tend to feel your answers are correct. This is the scientific method and not depending on some ancient authority but on what we now feel strongly enough about to decide what we see is real.
And that reality is now, the Earth is NOT the center of ANYTHING except the lives of humans. The Earth REALLY DOES rotate around the sun, the whole solar system REALLY does rotate around the center of our galaxy, the milky way and other galaxies in the distance really are flying away from us and the closest one is due to collide with the milky way in a few billion years and our galaxy, a pretty big one, has already swallowed up several smaller galaxies that are now spread out irregularly around ours like the Large Magellanic cloud is one such at a distance of about 200,000 light years, out in the fringes of our galaxy having been torn apart by the gravity of ours.
We know all this stuff never seen in any Vedas because we take science a step at a time and build on previous knowledge. There is absolutely nothing dishonest about that, it is science in action for the last 300 years. If we can do as much as we have in only 300 years, a blink of time compared to the age of your Vedas, think what we will accomplish in the next 300 years, assuming the human race keeps up as it has without destroying itself or getting so balled up as to have to go into survival mode and lose the benefits of modern scientific research, which I would assume you would feel would be a good thing. Can't have mere humans able to cure cancer and such, right? That would be totally dishonest according to your precious Vedas.
17 Sep 11
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Originally posted by sonhouseDid you know that the famous Hindu astronomer, Bhaskaracharya in his Surya Siddhanta wrote:
You are the one giving us the size of the universe, I just pointed out that is not even vaguely close to correct. Are you saying the universe was 4 billion miles wide when it was created and now is umteen billion light years across like science now shows?
Nobody would dispute the ancient knowledge of math and a decent approximation of PI. The ancient Chi ure cancer and such, right? That would be totally dishonest according to your precious Vedas.
"Objects fall on the earth due to a force of attraction by the earth. Therefore, the earth, planets, constellations, moon and sun are held in orbit due to this attraction."
It was not until 1687, 1200 years later did Issac Newton "rediscover" the Law of Gravity.
Veda talks about atomic energy long before the atom was discovered.
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Veda already has knowledge of all the so called new scientific discoveries and Veda has been with us for eternity. (nothing is new from the Vedic view. )
You have started your post once again referring to the 4 billion even though I have explained why........and there are other references in the Veda that give the figure as much larger and you could easily quote that instead.
The actual size is somewhat illusive because.......
Veda informs us that the universe is egg shaped and it informs us that there are 8 coverings at the perimeter of the universe and each covering is 10 times bigger that the preceding one......................so
Having this knowledge when Indian cosmologists calculate the size they have diffident reference points for there calculus and you can often find different figures given because of the different points of reference that are available.
Because 94% of the Vedas have been destroyed by the envious Christians and atheists they cannot give everything that they once had and it seems like science has discovered things that the Veda does not know.......but if we were to find that other 94% then what science is only just finding out would be all there.
Did you know that I actually do not care the slightest about how big this is or how old that is because it is not important and has nothing to do with the real problems of life..........and the real problems of life are not dealt with by science.
The real problems of life are dealt with by the Vedas and only the Vedas in that section of the Vedas called Vedanta Sutra and other compilations.
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The west is fond of proclaiming Hippocrates (460 – 377 BC) as the father of medicine, but way before him in 500 BC Maharishi Charaka wrote the famous Charaka Samhita or Physicians’ Handbook. The Charaka Samhita went into great detail to describe human anatomy, pathology, diagnostic procedures, and treatment for various diseases. Charaka defined eight major medical disciplines of Ayur Veda: Shailya Chikitsa (surgery), Shaalakya Chikitsa (head, eye, nose, throat), Kaaya Chikitsa (mental health), Kaumarbhrutya Chikitsa (pediatrics), Agada Tantra (toxicology), Rasaayana Tantra (Pharmacology), Vaajeekarna Tantra (reproductive medicine). Charaka also described the functions of the heart and the circulatory system in great detail. The Charaka Samhita was widely translated in various languages and Charaka was a respected medical authority in both the Arab and Roman empires.
Did you know that the ratio of the circumference and the diameter of a circle known as Pi (a value of 3.141592657932&hellip😉 was first calculated by Hindus?
The Sanskrit text, by the famous Hindu mathematician, Baudhayana in his Baudhayana Sulbha Sutra of the 6th century BC mentions this ratio as approximately equal to 3. The Hindu mathematician, Aryabhatta, in 499 AD worked out the value of Pi to the fourth decimal place as [3x (177/1250) = 3.1416]. In 825 AD one Arab mathematician Mohammad Ibna Musa said: This value has been given by the Hindus [Indians] (62832/20,000 = 3.1416).
Albert Einstein: says
We owe a lot to the Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made.
Mark Twain: says
India is the cradle of the human race, the birthplace of human speech, the mother of history, the grandmother of legend and the great grand mother of tradition.
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It is known that many scientific discoveries have their roots in Vedic knowledge but science does not credit their source.
22 Sep 11
Originally posted by DasaA non-answer to my charge. You just expect us to fall over and play dead if you overwhelm us with words. We are not that impressed. For instance, you ancient astronomer who deduced gravity did not come up with any numbers that would allow them to calculate the actual orbit of the moon or some such, just a statement gravity is holding everything in place in the solar system. That is more on the lines of a hunch not a scientifically useful finding. He did not have the basic math to be able to go any further than to say, gravity holds stuff together, don't know how exactly but that sounds right. Nobody denigrates Indian science but don't make it out to be better than it was. Arabs came up with the concept of zero for instance and our modern numerals, a thousand times more useful than say, the ancient roman XXX's for instance.
Did you know that the famous Hindu astronomer, Bhaskaracharya in his Surya Siddhanta wrote:
"Objects fall on the earth due to a force of attraction by the earth. Therefore, the earth, planets, constellations, moon and sun are held in orbit due to this attraction."
It was not until 1687, 1200 years later did Issac Newton "rediscover" the Law of Gravity.
...[text shortened]... ic discoveries have their roots in Vedic knowledge but science does not credit their source.
25 Sep 11
Originally posted by sonhouseVeda is the source of all numbers.
A non-answer to my charge. You just expect us to fall over and play dead if you overwhelm us with words. We are not that impressed. For instance, you ancient astronomer who deduced gravity did not come up with any numbers that would allow them to calculate the actual orbit of the moon or some such, just a statement gravity is holding everything in place in ...[text shortened]... odern numerals, a thousand times more useful than say, the ancient roman XXX's for instance.
The Veda is eternal and mathematics is actually eternal.
Do you think people didn't count before the Arabs came along
Vedic culture was far spread all over the planet a long time ago and there was once only one King ruling the world - and all knowledge was disseminated far and wide allowing numbers to end up in Arabia.
Before this universe came into manifestation there were other universe,s before this one and other universes before that one and so on to eternity.
Right now there are trillions of universe out there - and there are civilisation using those numbers just like us.
People are counting with numbers in thoses other universes because of the Veda.
The Vedas are in other universes besides this universe -because the problems of life are universal and the Vedic knowledge is for everyone in every universe.
Your contextual field concerning this earth and numbers is only small and limited.
Vedas contextual field is infinite and eternal.
Nothing is new in this world - and every shiny new thing has actually existed before in some other universe in some other time frame.
So therefore numbers have been around for eternity - and the Veda always have a connection to them in some form or another..
25 Sep 11
Originally posted by DasaIf the Vedic texts are in other universes, so is Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Communism where it won out over the thrice dammed capitalist animal killing meat eating scumbags. Why don't you find one of those universes where everything is as you think it should be and climb out of this one and pop into that one where everything comes up roses for whatever it is you have for a goal?
Veda is the source of all numbers.
The Veda is eternal and mathematics is actually eternal.
Do you think people didn't count before the Arabs came along
Vedic culture was far spread all over the planet a long time ago and there was once only one King ruling the world - and all knowledge was disseminated far and wide allowing numbers to end up in Arabia ...[text shortened]... n around for eternity - and the Veda always have a connection to them in some form or another..