25 Jun 13
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Originally posted by googlefudgeYou make organic sound really bad. I'm not sure what pesticides they use but I have heard of them using insects.
Well that would be fine if everyone was rational.
Unfortunately almost nobody is.
Take, for example, organic foods.
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4019
Organic foods take up more farmland than non-organic foods, increasing
deforestation and environmental damage.
Organic foods are more likely to contain higher concentrations of toxins
tha screw the rich western irrational idiots who wont eat GM because it's
not fashionable.
I must admit I think organic veg is better as the plants got more nutrients, but i'm fine with greenhouse tomatoes etc... Non organic is questionable to - broccoli can mop up a lot of synthetic pesticide, I read in the papers some fruit and veg have to much residue on them.
The UK has pretty good supermarkets compared to must countries, I think the waitrose / asda model works, ie posh and value food.
25 Jun 13
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Originally posted by e4chrisI am speaking here as somebody who has considerable personal expertise in this very subject area backed up by relevant qualifications:
You make organic sound really bad. I'm not sure what pesticides they use but I have heard of them using insects.
I must admit I think organic veg is better as the plants got more nutrients, but i'm fine with greenhouse tomatoes etc... Non organic is questionable to - broccoli can mop up a lot of synthetic pesticide, I read in the papers some fruit and ve ...[text shortened]... s compared to must countries, I think the waitrose / asda model works, ie posh and value food.
There is much criticism about organic farming and most albeit not all of it is justified for there is a huge amount of myth and misconceptions with organic farming.
For example, organic farming is Often albeit not always NOT better for the environment than non-organic farming!
And there is NO real evidence that organic food is generally better for your health!
To explain why, see:
http://nutritionwonderland.com/2009/12/the-truth-about-organic-farming/
Often organic food leaves a lower carbon footprint -but generally not much lower and very often it is the other way around!
if you want to eat with a lower carbon footprint, you should forget about organic food and think vegetarian because that would in most albeit not all cases make a huge reduction in your carbon footprint. That is one of the reasons I am vegetarian.
25 Jun 13
Originally posted by PhrannyThey have found that not only did the genetic modifications make the plant immune to roundup herbicide, but also as a side effect it produces chemicals that make animals sterile and are somewhat toxic. Of course Rumsfeld ramrodded these crops past the FDA and now we find out they are no good. Another danger is that Monsanto is trying to monopolize food. Not good. A lot of info out there on it. I guess a company genetically modifying plants is still a form of evolution for the species, but before they release a product that will reproduce with natural crops it would be wise to test them better.
I believe the dangers posed by genetically modified food products is our greatest current risk. Please go to www.responsibletechnology.org. On the menu hit GMO Education, Fraud or Autism for more information. I urge you all to take a look especially if you or a loved one is interested in starting a family or if you have children. 50 countries, including Fran ...[text shortened]... ermany and Italy have banned or estricted GMO's, while the U.S. doesn't even require labeling.
25 Jun 13
Originally posted by humyHitler was a vegetarian as well.
I am speaking here as somebody who has considerable personal expertise in this very subject area backed up by relevant qualifications:
There is much criticism about organic farming and most albeit not all of it is justified for there is a huge amount of myth and misconceptions with organic farming.
For example, organic farming is Often albeit not alw ...[text shortened]... ases make a huge reduction in your carbon footprint. That is one of the reasons I am vegetarian.
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/Syngenta_Charged_for_Covering_Up_Livestock_Deaths_from_GM_Corn.php
26 Jun 13
Originally posted by humyChristie Wilcox is a pro-GMO propagandist.
I am speaking here as somebody who has considerable personal expertise in this very subject area backed up by relevant qualifications:
There is much criticism about organic farming and most albeit not all of it is justified for there is a huge amount of myth and misconceptions with organic farming.
For example, organic farming is Often albeit not alw ...[text shortened]... ases make a huge reduction in your carbon footprint. That is one of the reasons I am vegetarian.
http://www.rodale.com/organic-myths
26 Jun 13
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Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperNotice that he says nothing about agent orange,DDT, PCBs and saccharin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulq0NW1sTcI
http://www.theglobalmail.org/feature/ddt-was-so-safe-you-could-eat-it-and-other-killer-myths-of-modern-technology/387/
I think terminator seeds are a good idea. They could prevent cross pollination.
Typical that people pay attention to what this ignorant man says rather than what he omits. He goes on a rant but ignores Monsanto's history of supporting harmful chemicals they produced and were later banned in the USA. I suppose he thinks it is a big conspiracy to promote the spread of malaria. 🙄
Typical propaganda by omission.
Edit: I meant to say continued cross pollination assuming a dominant gene for terminator seeds could be inserted.
26 Jun 13
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Originally posted by Metal Brain
Hitler was a vegetarian as well.
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/Syngenta_Charged_for_Covering_Up_Livestock_Deaths_from_GM_Corn.php
Hitler was a vegetarian as well.
So was Gandhi
John F. Kennedy became one at age 22.
Einstein was a vegetarian only towards the end of his life.
Most leading Nazis in WW2 were not vegetarian.
Of course, none of this would show that whether you are vegetarian is an indicator of whether you are good or bad.
Hitler also had a moustache. But having a moustache also doesn't indicate much.
26 Jun 13
Originally posted by humy"Hitler also had a moustache. But having a moustache also doesn't indicate much."Hitler was a vegetarian as well.
So was Gandhi
John F. Kennedy became one at age 22.
Einstein was a vegetarian only towards the end of his life.
Most leading Nazis in WW2 were not vegetarian.
Of course, none of this would show that whether you are vegetarian is an indicator of whether you are good or bad.
Hitler also had a moustache. But having a moustache also doesn't indicate much.
If you sported a Hitler style mustache and walked down a street in Detroit I'm sure somebody would disagree with you. 😀
Did you read the link in my last post?
26 Jun 13
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Originally posted by Metal Brainyes, I read the link. What about it?
"Hitler also had a moustache. But having a moustache also doesn't indicate much."
If you sported a Hitler style mustache and walked down a street in Detroit I'm sure somebody would disagree with you. 😀
Did you read the link in my last post?
I am not interested in the corruption of commercial companies.
I am, however, very interested in science and how it could be used to benefit humanity.
GM can potentially give huge benefits to humanity and absolutely no amount of corrupt commercial companies doing harm by misusing the GM technology will change that fact even if, as I greatly fear, many laypeople would somehow irrationally think it does.
If you sported a Hitler style moustache and walked down a street in Detroit I'm sure somebody would disagree with you. 😀
LOL. Cannot dispute that. Could make it worse by doing the Nazi salute and wearing the Nazi uniform and carrying a huge pole with a huge Nazi flag on it.
Anyone: would that actually be completely legal to do walking down a street in Detroit?
26 Jun 13
Originally posted by Metal BrainThe difficulty is that terminator seeds have to be provided by a GM seed company, so a farmer can't hold back some grain to plant as next years crop. In trying to solve one problem you've created another in the form of farmers being dependent on seed companies. This problem exists with hybrids as well, as although they can reproduce the yield typically plummets.
I think terminator seeds are a good idea. They could prevent cross pollination.
26 Jun 13
Originally posted by DeepThought"In trying to solve one problem you've created another in the form of farmers being dependent on seed companies."
The difficulty is that terminator seeds have to be provided by a GM seed company, so a farmer can't hold back some grain to plant as next years crop. In trying to solve one problem you've created another in the form of farmers being dependent on seed companies. This problem exists with hybrids as well, as although they can reproduce the yield typically plummets.
They are already dependent on Monsanto seeds. It is illegal for a farmer to save Monsanto's GM seeds to plant another crop. Monsanto has sued farmers for doing just that. They can go onto a farmer's land without a warrant to check for it and if they confirm it the farmer is screwed, because they will sue.