18 Aug 08
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Originally posted by PinkFloydThose people teaching biology, chemistry and physics in Christian schools generally don't have degrees in biology, chemistry or physics.
Correct, but at least you can see that they are, nevertheless, scientists. There are plenty of them teaching biology, chemistry, and physics at Christian schools like Liberty and Bob Jones University. I don't happen to agree with them, but I am not so arrogant as to call them morons.
EDIT - Well I go to a Christian school, and I'm sure the science here is fine, but it's not one of those fruitcake schools like BJU.
18 Aug 08
Originally posted by FabianFnasYour whole point is nothing but to repeat an insult, okay you look
And atheistic christian or a creationist scientist? What's the difference? Oxymorons both of them. Or perhaps just morons.
down on people who disagree with you, and you believe a flat earther
is equal to someone who believes in a young earth.
Kelly
18 Aug 08
Originally posted by KellyJayYou hit straight on the nail!
Your whole point is nothing but to repeat an insult, okay you look
down on people who disagree with you, and you believe a flat earther
is equal to someone who believes in a young earth.
Kelly
Creationists are continuasly instulting real scientists by claiming creationissm *is* science. It's not more science than every mumbo jumbo, including 'flat earth' or 'earth is in the center of universe. Both of wich was claimed by the christian church.
I don't lock down on people who disagrees with me, I don't burn disagreers on fire, that christians did when when Bruno didn't agree with the church.
I certainly feel insulted when flat earthers and creationists, in the name of god, claim that they are working side by side with honorable scientists. What a shame!
18 Aug 08
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Originally posted by KellyJay…You are so full of your own opinion you completely reject that others
You are so full of your own opinion you completely reject that others
with degrees as good as or better than yours who can work in the
various fields can hold different opinions it isn't even funny. It is the
height of arrogance on your part to hold such a narrow minded opinion.
It seems if people do not agree with the way you view things they are
some how something less.
Kelly
with DEGREES as good as or better than yours who can work in the
various fields can hold different opinions …. (my emphasis)
So does that mean you yourself don’t ever “completely reject that others with DEGREES as good as or better than yours” such as scientists that have DEGREES better than yours that have done actual research into such fields of science as carbon-dating, geology etc and hold different opinions from yourself such as their expert opinion (which is well qualified by the evidence as well as their own personal research) that the Earth is many millions of years old etc?
Have you got a science degree?
18 Aug 08
Originally posted by Andrew HamiltonI do not allow myself to disagree simply because someone has a
[b]…You are so full of your own opinion you completely reject that others
with DEGREES as good as or better than yours who can work in the
various fields can hold different opinions …. (my emphasis)
So does that mean you yourself don’t ever “completely reject that others with DEGREES as good as or better than yours” such as scientists that ...[text shortened]... al research) that the Earth is many millions of years old etc?
Have you got a science degree?[/b]
belief, I don't name call simply because someone has a belief, it is
the facts on the ground that matter, and not everyone is presenting
facts here. I also don't say "YOU ARE WRONG" I do not have proof
for those things I say I believe about the distant past, and I
acknowledge I could be wrong, it doesn't add to or take away from
any point of view I have whatever about the age of the earth and the
universe is either way. I also do not automatically agree with somoene
because they have a degree, I will give them a better hearing, but
like all people they can be wrong, so it is what they are saying not the
letters behind their names that matter. I don't talk about my personal
life here except to those I trust here in private, I get enough name
calling as it is without adding to that fire.
Kelly
18 Aug 08
Originally posted by KellyJayIn other words, no🙂
I do not allow myself to disagree simply because someone has a
belief, I don't name call simply because someone has a belief, it is
the facts on the ground that matter, and not everyone is presenting
facts here. I also don't say "YOU ARE WRONG" I do not have proof
for those things I say I believe about the distant past, and I
acknowledge I could be wro ...[text shortened]... t here in private, I get enough name
calling as it is without adding to that fire.
Kelly
18 Aug 08
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Originally posted by KellyJay…I don't name call simply because someone has a belief
I do not allow myself to disagree simply because someone has a
belief, I don't name call simply because someone has a belief, it is
the facts on the ground that matter, and not everyone is presenting
facts here. I also don't say "YOU ARE WRONG" I do not have proof
for those things I say I believe about the distant past, and I
acknowledge I could be wro t here in private, I get enough name
calling as it is without adding to that fire.
Kelly
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I get enough name calling as it is without adding to that fire….
Did I call you by an offensive name? -or any other kind of name?
18 Aug 08
Can I drag this thread kicking and screaming back to the question?
I'm planning on emailing my findings so far to the YEC tonight, so I thought I would prompt you all again. Can anyone find reference to one of these tree fossils spanning multiple hundreds of years worth of sedimentary layers?
--- Penguin.
19 Aug 08
Originally posted by FabianFnasWell, to set the record straight on this one, I have a simple B.S. from a small Southern college (Wofford) where I majored in Biology. No frills, I was an unremarkable student. But having earned a degree in a "hard" science (as some refer to bio/chem/physics), and having worked in a science environment, I claim the right to say that I'm a scientist. I don't think that's being at all presumptuous, right? I got a paycheck for running experiments, logging data, ...you know, grunt work,; but I say that counts. And I'm not anti-science, I'm very pro science. I'm also a Christian---VERY Christian. I believe God created the earth--making me a creationist.
As I've said, there are no creationist scientists. Those who think they can be scientists when they in fact are anti-science creationists doesn't know much about science, QED.
So, I am by definition, a Christian creationist scientist.
19 Aug 08
Originally posted by PinkFloydKudo's for you for getting your degree! I would say you seem to belong to the branch of creationists who believe the universe and the earth to be billions of years old, therefore you must believe in a god who made the whole universe and I guess preset the conditions for life to appear on earth. Is that an accurate statement?
Well, to set the record straight on this one, I have a simple B.S. from a small Southern college (Wofford) where I majored in Biology. No frills, I was an unremarkable student. But having earned a degree in a "hard" science (as some refer to bio/chem/physics), and having worked in a science environment, I claim the right to say that I'm a scientist. I d ...[text shortened]... making me a creationist.
So, I am by definition, a Christian creationist scientist.
19 Aug 08
Originally posted by PinkFloydSo how old do *you* think the earth is, Pink?
Well, to set the record straight on this one, I have a simple B.S. from a small Southern college (Wofford) where I majored in Biology. No frills, I was an unremarkable student. But having earned a degree in a "hard" science (as some refer to bio/chem/physics), and having worked in a science environment, I claim the right to say that I'm a scientist. I d ...[text shortened]... making me a creationist.
So, I am by definition, a Christian creationist scientist.
19 Aug 08
Originally posted by Andrew HamiltonNot that I recall, but I did not say you did either did I?
[b]…I don't name call simply because someone has a belief
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I get enough name calling as it is without adding to that fire….
Did I call you by an offensive name? -or any other kind of name?[/b]
Kelly
19 Aug 08
Originally posted by sonhouseYes, it is.
Kudo's for you for getting your degree! I would say you seem to belong to the branch of creationists who believe the universe and the earth to be billions of years old, therefore you must believe in a god who made the whole universe and I guess preset the conditions for life to appear on earth. Is that an accurate statement?