11 Apr 14
Originally posted by HarrisonBergeronQ: "How about if you believe the moon landings were faked, can you be scientific then?"
How about if you believe the moon landings were faked, can you be scientific then? What if you believe 9/11 was staged by the US government, can you be scientific then? An irrational belief doesn't need to be a stumbling block to doing scientific research.
A: No. There are no science confirming moon landing were faked. Do you really believe that?
Q: "What if you believe 9/11 was staged by the US government, can you be scientific then?"
A: No. There are no science confirming that 9/11 was staged by the US government. Do you really believe that?
Q: "What if you believe the Earth was created only 6000 years ago, can you be scientific then?"
A: No. There are no science confirming that the Earth was created only 6000 years ago. How can anyone really believe that?
That's why I call it an oxymoron.
11 Apr 14
Originally posted by FabianFnasOn the third question, there is science showing the earth could be approximately 6,000 years old. In fact, I just posted some information on scientific experiments and tests that supports the idea that the earth could be about 6,000 years old. I am waiting for sonhouse to refute this before I present other information that supports a young earth.
Q: "How about if you believe the moon landings were faked, can you be scientific then?"
A: No. There are no science confirming moon landing were faked. Do you really believe that?
Q: "What if you believe 9/11 was staged by the US government, can you be scientific then?"
A: No. There are no science confirming that 9/11 was staged by the US government. ...[text shortened]... ed only 6000 years ago. How can anyone really believe that?
That's why I call it an oxymoron.
11 Apr 14
Originally posted by RJHinds"there is science showing the earth could be approximately 6,000 years old."
On the third question, there is science showing the earth could be approximately 6,000 years old. In fact, I just posted some information on scientific experiments and tests that supports the idea that the earth could be about 6,000 years old. I am waiting for sonhouse to refute this before I present other information that supports a young earth.
No (*sigh*) there isn't.
Sonhouse and others try numerous of times to show you evidence of an old Earth. You just don't understand it. And you don't want to understand it because you are not able to.
11 Apr 14
Originally posted by HarrisonBergeronIt depends on the field they are working in. A YEC working in some field not related to geology or cosmology may do perfectly good work, but a YEC working in a field relevant to creation has this bias.
How about if you believe the moon landings were faked, can you be scientific then? What if you believe 9/11 was staged by the US government, can you be scientific then? An irrational belief doesn't need to be a stumbling block to doing scientific research.
11 Apr 14
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Originally posted by DeepThoughtA YEC scientists who is into multi-discipline science should see his or her own bias since they would know what works in on science should work in another, say geology, age of rocks and so forth.
It depends on the field they are working in. A YEC working in some field not related to geology or cosmology may do perfectly good work, but a YEC working in a field relevant to creation has this bias.
I would be personally hesitant to hire a known YEC scientist for fear this bias would interfere with ANY discipline they work on. I wouldn't trust them as far as I can throw them and I get weaker day by day.....
One thought (of my own): Suppose the world really began in the year minus 4000 and all the fossils we see now would have to have been multiplied by a million. With all the life we see today, every cubic meter of dirt would contain a thousand fossils since we know, for instance, the human race has billions alive now and probably a trillion alive at one point or other so all those bones would have to have been buried in the last 6000 years and so there would be thousands of times the bones we see buried today.
Explain THAT one YECers.
Also this one: Hubble telescope has refined the direct parallax measurement of the distance to stars to a distance of 10,000 light years. We can directly measure a star 10,000 light years away so the light from it came from 10,000 years ago, 4000 years before the Earth and supposedly, the universe, was created.
http://phys.org/news/2014-04-hubble-stellar-tape-space.html
Or this: The magma spreading out from where the continents are drifting apart and the magnetic recording of the state of the magnetic field of the earth at the time, a recording of past events directly read out in the magnetic remnants recorded in that now solid magma:
http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/fosrec/Metzger3.html
That stately separation of continents has been going on for millions of years, and the last 6000 years of that spread would amount to just 500 feet and we see a LOT more than 500 feet of spread. In order to explain that, the YEC would have to say it went faster in the past and that would have led to changes that would have been easily visible.
Like mountains ten times higher than what we have today since the squishing forces would have come so fast erosion would not have had time to level them out, as just one example, to say nothing of the fact the whole Earth would be cooked to a crisp with the heat of whole continents squishing together or spreading apart a thousand times faster than we see today.
YEC's, explain all that. I'm sure you will find some rationalization for it all but enlighten us.
Tell us why the signs of such things are not visible on Earth now, the highest mountain about 6 miles high only, where instead of an inch a year of spreading continents, it would have to have been more like a foot a DAY.
Surely you could visualize what kind of energy that would add to the heat of the Earth when an entire continent moves a foot in a day or a meter in say 3 days. 10 meters a month.
Think long and hard about that much movement of the Earth YEC's.
11 Apr 14
Originally posted by sonhouseFor one thing, the US and Asia are right now rushing towards each other at about an inch a year. So times a thousand and beginning 4000 years ago, the US and Asia would have run right over one another, there would be no Japan, Korea, and all that. We would have been one big continent like what happened 200 million odd years ago.
A YEC scientists who is into multi-discipline science should see his or her own bias since they would know what works in on science should work in another, say geology, age of rocks and so forth.
I would be personally hesitant to hire a known YEC scientist for fear this bias would interfere with ANY discipline they work on. I wouldn't trust them as far a ...[text shortened]... 3 days. 10 meters a month.
Think long and hard about that much movement of the Earth YEC's.
11 Apr 14
Originally posted by sonhouse1000 times 6000 years = 6 million years isn't enough. Better is 100,000 times to see the effect we see today.
For one thing, the US and Asia are right now rushing towards each other at about an inch a year. So times a thousand and beginning 4000 years ago, the US and Asia would have run right over one another, there would be no Japan, Korea, and all that. We would have been one big continent like what happened 200 million odd years ago.
Impossible... but on the other hand, They will not believe it anyway. "God did it that way." Or they will not understand it. Or pretend some...
11 Apr 14
Originally posted by FabianFnasYes, I way underestimated the amount of movement required. I just stuck my finger in the air to say 1000:1 but it should be like you say, at least 50,000:1
1000 times 6000 years = 6 million years isn't enough. Better is 100,000 times to see the effect we see today.
Impossible... but on the other hand, They will not believe it anyway. "God did it that way." Or they will not understand it. Or pretend some...
my ten meters per day would then be 500 meters per day. That would be 68 feet per hour of movement or about 1 foot per MINUTE.
Can you even IMAGINE how much energy would be A) required for that much movement and B) how hot the land would get with that much movement and C) what would the continents look like in even 1000 years of such movement.
11 Apr 14
Originally posted by sonhouseThe problem with you old earth evolutionists is that you ASSUME uniformitarianism.
A YEC scientists who is into multi-discipline science should see his or her own bias since they would know what works in on science should work in another, say geology, age of rocks and so forth.
I would be personally hesitant to hire a known YEC scientist for fear this bias would interfere with ANY discipline they work on. I wouldn't trust them as far a ...[text shortened]... 3 days. 10 meters a month.
Think long and hard about that much movement of the Earth YEC's.
Uniformitarianism is the assumption that the same natural laws and processes that operate in the universe now have always operated in the universe in the past and apply everywhere in the universe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniformitarianism
12 Apr 14
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Originally posted by RJHindsYou don't read very well. We just SAID the only way YEC'ers can explain it is if events went at different rates back then. You didn't get that part? Where I said things would have to have been sped up by a thousand times and Fab corrected me and said it would have to have been more than 100,000 times faster and I used the example of 50,000 times faster showing the North American continent and Asia would have crunched into each other? We actually made the ASSUMPTION that time would have had to have been different back then but it would have left HUGE holes in physics that would have left OBVIOUS clues today. Like nobody being alive because of the heat generated.....
The problem with you old earth evolutionists is that you ASSUME uniformitarianism.
[b]Uniformitarianism is the assumption that the same natural laws and processes that operate in the universe now have always operated in the universe in the past and apply everywhere in the universe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniformitarianism[/b]
I can only assume that besides being blind to what is going on in the universe, you also cannot read.
12 Apr 14
Originally posted by sonhouseYEC scientists explain geological features by Catastrophism. Catastrophism is the theory that the Earth has been affected in the past by sudden, short-lived, violent events, possibly worldwide in scope.
You don't read very well. We just SAID the only way YEC'ers can explain it is if events went at different rates back then. You didn't get that part? Where I said things would have to have been sped up by a thousand times and Fab corrected me and said it would have to have been more than 100,000 times faster and I used the example of 50,000 times faster show ...[text shortened]... only assume that besides being blind to what is going on in the universe, you also cannot read.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catastrophism
The Mount St. Helens Volcano Eruption caused a little grand canyon in 1980
Undersea earthquakes or volcanic eruptions have caused many Tsunami catastrophes in the past, like this most recent one in 2011 at Japan.
Actual video of underwater volcanic eruption.
12 Apr 14
Originally posted by RJHindsYou still don't understand the implications of what the world would be like if the continents moved several meters an hour or even a day.
YEC scientists explain geological features by Catastrophism. Catastrophism is the theory that the Earth has been affected in the past by sudden, short-lived, violent events, possibly worldwide in scope.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catastrophism
The Mount St. Helens Volcano Eruption caused a little grand canyon in 1980
http://www.youtube.com/watc ...[text shortened]... 0
Actual video of underwater volcanic eruption.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmMlspNoZMs
The world we know would not exist. Period.
You can't visualize what all that means.
12 Apr 14
Originally posted by sonhouseMaybe the world we know today did not exist then. Did you ever think of that?
You still don't understand the implications of what the world would be like if the continents moved several meters an hour or even a day.
The world we know would not exist. Period.
You can't visualize what all that means.