11 Sep 18
Originally posted by @deepthoughtMy computer has a spell checker, but not an auto corrector. That's fine with me.
Lose and loose is another favourite. One problem is that automatic grammar and spelling checkers make inappropriate changes and are capable of totally altering meanings. I was playing online poker and won a hand and typed "ul" and the stupid thing changed it to "uk" when I hit return, which is also the action that makes the post on 888, making me look ...[text shortened]... ay that I'm committed to its "correction" without knowing what it is. Self-driving cars anyone?
The other has a spell checker in my native language which renders almost every English word as incorrect. So the number of errors I make is an indicator of which computer I use for the moment.
"How do you know that you don't write damn things?"
"I use a spell checker!"
But I don't have an nonsense checker. Because if I had, the whole screen would be turned red when I visit Spiritual Forum.
11 Sep 18
Originally posted by @fabianfnasThere's something to talk about here: what is the difference between a prophesy and a prediction? Science predicts the end of the World in a few billion years, when the Sun becomes a red giant, yet we wouldn't normally talk about that as a prophesy. So what is the difference?
There are no such things as prophecies in science. You're wrong. Completely wrong.
If we take a look at Mr Palamar's claim from a Popperian point of view, it's not really falsifiable in a meaningful sense. We can wait and see and we can do searches for an object whose trajectory might bring it close to Earth. However, absence of verification is not falsification. Waiting is no good, after all the theory doesn't predict anything else and so can't be challenged using normal scientific discourse.
However, that the Sun will turn into a red giant is a prediction that depends on our understanding of nuclear and stellar physics. That understanding comes from considerable accumulation of empirical evidence.
The prediction in the OP seems to depend on numerology and looking for hidden meanings in a text that it really isn't obvious the Bible writers were aware of. After all, if they were so certain, why not just come out with it in plain Hebrew (or Aramaic or Greek or whatever)? Why is this "knowledge" only available to the cognoscenti?
11 Sep 18
Originally posted by @deepthoughtAs I see it:
There's something to talk about here: what is the difference between a prophesy and a prediction? Science predicts the end of the World in a few billion years, when the Sun becomes a red giant, yet we wouldn't normally talk about that as a prophesy. So what is the difference?
If we take a look at Mr Palamar's claim from a Popperian point of view, i ...[text shortened]... w (or Aramaic or Greek or whatever)? Why is this "knowledge" only available to the cognoscenti?
A prediction, in scientific sense, has proofs based on observations.
A prophecy is a religious term, meaning an interpretation from the bible, therefore no proofs nor observations are needed.
A foretelling, like astrology, is based on guessings and believing that stars has supernatural properties.
A prognosis is based on statistics and science based on previous observations.
The prophecies of Daniel is based on the science from the Bronze age. Has nothing to do with modern science. Believing in Daniels prophecies is ignorance, not caring about reality.
In my humble (?) opinion.
Originally posted by @fabianfnasYou are both on the same page, obviously anything based on the bible or Quran and the rest will be prophecy not prediction based on science.
As I see it:
A prediction, in scientific sense, has proofs based on observations.
A prophecy is a religious term, meaning an interpretation from the bible, therefore no proofs nor observations are needed.
A foretelling, like astrology, is based on guessings and believing that stars has supernatural properties.
A prognosis is based on statistics and s ...[text shortened]... eving in Daniels prophecies is ignorance, not caring about reality.
In my humble (?) opinion.
All that religious crap is just that: Crap. Bullshyte, Gumpucky, total story telling for the express purpose of congregational control through fear. They tell allegory like the world wide flood nonsense. They go, look at that mountain, on top of it are seashells and the ONLY way that could happen is if there was a world wide flood and because of such nonsense a certain percentage will ALWAYS fall for that kind of crap hook line and sinker, even thousands of years, hundreds of generations later, still believing in all that man made crap. To me it says a lot about the supposed intelligence of the human race.
We are not as smart as we are cracked up to be.
All you have to do to prove that is look at the Trump base......
Just like the BS around the Flat Earthers or the moon landing deniers.
At least that last one will be totally out of fashion when people go back and in fact image up close and personal the footprints left behind by those brave astronauts.
The flat Earthers probably will die out also as space flight becomes commercial and you can go into polar orbit and see for yourself Antarctica is in fact a continent, a big Island, not the edge of Earth.
But I doubt if that will get through to the real believers even if the president of the Flat Earth society goes into polar orbit and see's for himself what Antarctica really looks like the true believers will just say he was drugged and never went to space, only sitting in a small room with an advanced screen or some such crudola.
12 Sep 18
Originally posted by @sonhouseIf you believe in the bible and believe that Theology is the Mother of all Sciences, (like the danielist Edward Palamar does) then look up Mathew 4:8 and read that the earth is flat as a pancake:
You are both on the same page, obviously anything based on the bible or Quran and the rest will be prophecy not prediction based on science.
All that religious crap is just that: Crap. Bullshyte, Gumpucky, total story telling for the express purpose of congregational control through fear. They tell allegory like the world wide flood nonsense. They go, ...[text shortened]... never went to space, only sitting in a small room with an advanced screen or some such crudola.
"Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor."
This is of course not possible if the Earth is a globe. So Edward is wrong, wrong, wrong - we do in fact live on a globe.
When will their ignorance fade? When will they trust science?
12 Sep 18
Originally posted by @fabianfnasOh yeah? Edward says if the Earth isn't flat then why doesn't his marbles
If you believe in the bible and believe that Theology is the Mother of all Sciences, (like the danielist Edward Palamar does) then look up Mathew 4:8 and read that the earth is flat as a pancake:
"Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor."
This is of course not possible if the ...[text shortened]... - we do in fact live on a globe.
When will their ignorance fade? When will they trust science?
and small change roll off the table when he empties his pockets?
By the way, theology is the queen, not the mother.
12 Sep 18
Originally posted by @handyandyAs long as you don't use Theology as Science, I'm happy.
Oh yeah? Edward says if the Earth isn't flat then why doesn't his marbles
and small change roll off the table when he empties his pockets?
By the way, theology is the queen, not the mother.
Palamar does, and therefore he is wrong.
13 Sep 18
Originally posted by @deepthoughtLook at your emission inspection report. There are increasing levels of it being released into the atmosphere. That is what global warming is all about on the chemical level.
There is no build up of nitrous oxide.
Biblically speaking, the culmination of this phenomenon has been foretold in multiple ways, we are warned not even to desire its coming because it is all dark.
Yet one reads of great violence in the heavens, great noise to occur.
Put together every weapon ever fired, every machine whirring, every clap of thunder . . . and there is that violence and noise.
In the Old Testament we are told, "Try Me in this." And so it will be done for the remaining 106 days, and possibly even after that. Our Creator sets before us a great experiment.
The Book of Daniel is so written that the Divine intervention we need comes at the end of the prophecy, and Jesus assured us that He would not allow everyone to perish.
13 Sep 18
Originally posted by @deepthoughtProphesy is the verb form, prophecy is the noun form.
There's something to talk about here: what is the difference between a prophesy and a prediction?
A prophet prophesies prophecies.
13 Sep 18
Originally posted by @deepthoughtNot at all, nor is prediction the best word to use.
The prediction in the OP seems to depend on numerology
The Book of Daniel contains prophecy written by prophet Daniel, who with the help of the Holy Spirit, sealed it for unsealing at a later time.
If a formula calls for hydrogen, it is not an invitation to substitute something else in its stead.
So the sealing done with the help of the Holy Spirit must also be unsealed with the help of the Holy Spirit.
The unsealing has required such help.
13 Sep 18
Originally posted by @fabianfnasI can agree with you that it is a religious term, but prophecy and interpretation are separate gifts of the Holy Spirit.
A prophecy is a religious term, meaning an interpretation from the bible,
13 Sep 18
Originally posted by @fabianfnasI couldn't agree with you more.
Theology is the Mother of all Sciences
13 Sep 18
Originally posted by @handyandyIt's metaphysics that Aristotle (I think) said was the queen of sciences.
Oh yeah? Edward says if the Earth isn't flat then why doesn't his marbles
and small change roll off the table when he empties his pockets?
By the way, theology is the queen, not the mother.
13 Sep 18
Originally posted by @edward-palamarThe major problem with all this is that nitrous oxide is not flammable, and although levels have been rising, it has gone from being a trace component to a whole third of a part per million. At high temperatures it acts as an oxidizing agent, but given the atmosphere is about 200,000 parts per million oxygen I don't think it will make any difference.
Look at your emission inspection report. There are increasing levels of it being released into the atmosphere. That is what global warming is all about on the chemical level.
Biblically speaking, the culmination of this phenomenon has been foretold in multiple ways, we are warned not even to desire its coming because it is all dark.
Yet one r ...[text shortened]... mes at the end of the prophecy, and Jesus assured us that He would not allow everyone to perish.
I took a quick look at the Wikipedia page, apparently the prophecies become inaccurate around 167BC. The basic problem with the whole idea, even from a point of view that accepts visions as reliable guides to the future, is that the book is about contemporaneous events in Judea and not about now.