01 Mar 06
The facts:-
Scotland, Wales and NI are nations. This means they are also constituent countries.
Great Britain is - England, Scotland and Wales
The United Kingdom is - England, NI, Scotland and Wales
The British Isles is - England, NI, Scotland, Wales and Eire.
The argument about passports is irrelevant. One does not have to produce a passpost when travelling to the ROI from England, despite the fact they are not in Union.
In the common day, passports, are, effectively issued by the EU (althought not technically) , not any member state, due to free travel between the states.
Scotland also, legally, has its own monarch, as IIRC, their last monarch was deposed illegally.
Scotland has a national flag.
Quebec has a provincial flag.
Cornwall has a provincial flag.
Therefore, Scotland will have a flag but Quebec and Cornwall do not.
01 Mar 06
Originally posted by MRobertsNorthern Ireland is not a nation.
The facts:-
Scotland, Wales and NI are nations. This means they are also constituent countries.
Great Britain is - England, Scotland and Wales
The United Kingdom is - England, NI, Scotland and Wales
The British Isles is - England, NI, Scotland, Wales and Eire.
The argument about passports is irrelevant. One does not have to produce a passpost ...[text shortened]... [b]provincial flag.
Therefore, Scotland will have a flag but Quebec and Cornwall do not.[/b]
It is a province - it has only existed as any sort of geographical entity for less than 90 years.
02 Mar 06
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Originally posted by Dr StrangeloveNorthern Ireland doesn't meet any sort of criteria for being defined as a country.
What's that got to do with it?
How long would you say is required for you to accept it as a country?
It isn't a distinct physical entity (an island or whatever), it isn't self-governing, it hasn't any history at all of being a separate political entity.
There isn't even any sort of movement for independence for NI, unlike Quebec.
In what way is Northern Ireland more of a country than, say, california?
02 Mar 06
Originally posted by MRobertsI suggest people look at
The facts:-
Scotland, Wales and NI are nations. This means they are also constituent countries.
Great Britain is - England, Scotland and Wales
The United Kingdom is - England, NI, Scotland and Wales
The British Isles is - England, NI, Scotland, Wales and Eire.
The argument about passports is irrelevant. One does not have to produce a passpost ...[text shortened]... [b]provincial flag.
Therefore, Scotland will have a flag but Quebec and Cornwall do not.[/b]
http://geography.about.com/od/politicalgeography/a/scotlandnot.htm
but, even so, I would argue for having seperate flags for England, Scotland, Wales, and NI, based on what people consider their nationality to be.
Scotland was a country in the past
Wales was a country in the past
England was a country in the past (and 7 seperate Kingdoms before that)
Northern Ireland was never a country in it's own right
it looks like RHP is using a Red Hand Flag for Northern Ireland, and I don't know enough about it, but it might originate as a flag of the province of Ulster
so there's a precedent for Quebec as a province having a flag of it's own
02 Mar 06
Originally posted by aging blitzerYes, the red hand flag is the emblem of Ulster, which is a different entity altogether.
I suggest people look at
http://geography.about.com/od/politicalgeography/a/scotlandnot.htm
but, even so, I would argue for having seperate flags for England, Scotland, Wales, and NI, based on what people consider their nationality to be.
Scotland was a country in the past
Wales was a country in the past
England was a country in the past (and ...[text shortened]... vince of Ulster
so there's a precedent for Quebec as a province having a flag of it's own
02 Mar 06
Originally posted by NostalJimThe United Kingdom is not a country it is a group of countries. Scotland has many differences to England and these have been recognised as far back as the roman times with the building of Hadrian’s Wall. There has been no point since that Scotland and England have been merged they share something’s but have always had there differences. I really think you need to check something’s before making such comparisons
1) Let's clear that up. I'm not saying that we're a different country. I'm saying that we're a different nation. Wales and Scotland aren't countries, they are nations within the United Kingdom.
2) I disagree. Acadians might be able to make that claim, but the majority of maritimers share the same culture as the rest of Canada. Now, I admit that "Canadia ...[text shortened]... lish word is "Quebecer", but the "right" word would have to be Quebecois, though.
I think the fairest thing to do would be if Quebec achieves proper independence from Canada then they get a flag. The fact is with your independence you failed didn't succeed so don't talk as though you did.
03 Mar 06
Originally posted by Will Everittwas Yugoslavia a country?
The United Kingdom is not a country it is a group of countries.
was Czecheslovakia a country?
is Germany a country now as it used to be two countries, East and West Germany.
North and South Korea? are they really countries?
History tells us what things used to be, not what they are now.
03 Mar 06
Originally posted by RagnorakNorthern Ireland flag is the English flag with a red hand, six pointed star (for six counties) and, in no way divisive 🙄, crown in the middle.
That's interesting, because Ulster includes counties in the Republic.
I never realised that the Northern Irish flag was the Ulster flag.
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