13 Jun 17
Unrelated to the debate above but what about a new competition like the knockout cup competitions in other games and sports:-.
1.Russ asks all the clan leaders if they want to compete in the rhp cup.
2.Teams entered must field a team of say 6 players.(the format would have to be 3:7 as this seems to be the most popular format on the site)
3.Teams are entered into a random draw.In the case of uneven numbers, to get to the 8,16.32 format some teams have a bye in the first round.
4.Points awarded as the current system.In the event of a drawn match either a full replay or a 1 v 1 to decide the result( to be debated)
5.The losing team is knocked out and round 2 is drawn when round 1 is complete.
Come to think of it, Russ needn't be involved.One of us could run it once we have the entries.When I was leader i got bored with playing the same clans and player matchups all the time.Something like this could be a breath of fresh air
13 Jun 17
Originally posted by mghrn55That is what I was wondering also is what impact it would have, would it help or hurt the clan system as it now exists?
That is a valid point. But ........
I suspect site allowed players to belong to more than one clan for a reason.
If that were taken away, not sure the impact that would have on the feature.
Also, trying to implement this rule would create a lot of chaos.
Which clans should players dump ?
What about games and challenges in progress ??
etc, etc ...
Games and challenges in progress is an easy one, just finish the games in progress, just not allow anymore except with the clan you were going to be playing for. I really don't know the complications this would bring with it.
A Player would stay in the clan they felt most loyalty to, as I did on here!
-VR
14 Jun 17
Originally posted by Very RustyI would think one of the reasons for being in more than one clan is that you get a lot of games with people of a similar rating
That is what I was wondering also is what impact it would have, would it help or hurt the clan system as it now exists?
Games and challenges in progress is an easy one, just finish the games in progress, just not allow anymore except with the clan you were going to be playing for. I really don't know the complications this would bring with it.
A Player would stay in the clan they felt most loyalty to, as I did on here!
-VR
I know you can do that in tournies but it saves you the bother of looking
14 Jun 17
Originally posted by padgerpadger,
I would think one of the reasons for being in more than one clan is that you get a lot of games with people of a similar rating
I know you can do that in tournies but it saves you the bother of looking
Yes, I agree that is most likely a big reason why people are in more than one clan.
There are other options.
Play unrated games with people or actually "bother" to find tournies you can play in with people around your own rating. To me clicking on a mouse really isn't a big bother. 😉
Like me you've been on here long enough to know people who you could play with around your rating on a regular basis.
If a rule were made right from the beginning you could play on one clan team only then one would never miss playing in other clans. I think if you are playing for several clans you are not really loyal to one clan. my opinion of course.
There could be different ratings for Clan, tournies, club play, & private games as has been suggested by many people on the site.Now the question remains if this would be feasible for the site to consider? We have been talking about this very issue or one of the issues for many years now.
-VR
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i like the idea of playing for only one clan, i think we'd benefit from it, but i agree that the transition would be difficult
i wonder what issues caused Russ to dismiss the idea of a clan rating for each player
i'm guessing it was due to players being in multiple clans, but i don't know for certain
we might want to explore this, maybe there's a way to implement it under the current system
15 Jun 17
Originally posted by Very RustyI play in multiple clans because I like a lot of games and the multiple clans give me that without searching for opponents. I also like the clan format as a change from the individual or tournament games. Adds a little spice to be playing on a "team". That's just me.
padger,
Yes, I agree that is most likely a big reason why people are in more than one clan.
There are other options.
Play unrated games with people or actually "bother" to find tournies you can play in with people around your own rating. To me clicking on a mouse really isn't a big bother. 😉
Like me you've been on here long enough to know p ...[text shortened]... ider? We have been talking about this very issue or one of the issues for many years now.
-VR
OTOH I would be okay with restricting to one clan if that would help anything.
15 Jun 17
Originally posted by Giannottiruss posted in the ELO SUGGESTIONS THREAD PAGE 21 POST 11
i like the idea of playing for only one clan, i think we'd benefit from it, but i agree that the transition would be difficult
i wonder what issues caused Russ to dismiss the idea of a clan rating for each player
i'm guessing it was due to players being in multiple clans, but i don't know for certain
we might want to explore this, maybe there's a way to implement it under the current system
"Regarding suggestions about clan player rating - this is not going to happen. After considering how to prototype it, I realised that clan members with low "clan ratings" could leave and then re-join a clan to reset their rating to the starting default. Of course, this could be protected against, creating a record of the clan rating for every departing clan member which can then be used if/when they re-join, but it is all adding further complexity on top of something that is fairly complex anyway.
So, I'm ruling out any idea based on clan member "clan only" ratings (like clubs)".
15 Jun 17
Originally posted by roma45roma45,
russ posted in the ELO SUGGESTIONS THREAD PAGE 21 POST 11
"Regarding suggestions about clan player rating - this is not going to happen. After considering how to prototype it, I realised that clan members with low "clan ratings" could leave and then re-join a clan to reset their rating to the starting default. Of course, this could be protected against, cr ...[text shortened]... anyway.
So, I'm ruling out any idea based on clan member "clan only" ratings (like clubs)".
So what that tells me is that who ever wants to manipulate their rating can still do so!!!
-VR
16 Jun 17
Originally posted by roma45But if they had a clan rating it would stay with them whatever they did
russ posted in the ELO SUGGESTIONS THREAD PAGE 21 POST 11
"Regarding suggestions about clan player rating - this is not going to happen. After considering how to prototype it, I realised that clan members with low "clan ratings" could leave and then re-join a clan to reset their rating to the starting default. Of course, this could be protected against, cr ...[text shortened]... anyway.
So, I'm ruling out any idea based on clan member "clan only" ratings (like clubs)".
If I stop playing any games at all for say three months when I decided to play again my rating will not have changed so why would it if they had a clan rating ?
The only way they could change it would be to leave the site and rejoin
16 Jun 17
Originally posted by padgerNot sure myself just posted what Russ said
But if they had a clan rating it would stay with them whatever they did
If I stop playing any games at all for say three months when I decided to play again my rating will not have changed so why would it if they had a clan rating ?
The only way they could change it would be to leave the site and rejoin
We have it in clubs but Russ says it's a no go for clans?
16 Jun 17
Originally posted by roma45Yes but I think he was under the impression we wanted a different rating for each clan we were in and that is not the case at all
Not sure myself just posted what Russ said
We have it in clubs but Russ says it's a no go for clans?
We just want a Clan rating ,it would be the same rating if you were in 10 clans not a different one for each
Originally posted by padgerIn each club you have a individual rating
Yes but I think he was under the impression we wanted a different rating for each clan we were in and that is not the case at all
We just want a Clan rating ,it would be the same rating if you were in 10 clans not a different one for each
It has to be the same with clans it would be easy to sand bag a player could just start a clan Lise lots of games to keep his rating low to play for his main clan
It's a sad fact players will cheat
Only way is an individual clan by clan rating or make it a player can only play for one clan
I know it spoils it for the vast majority of honest players but some will never stop trying to. Find a loophole better known as cheating
16 Jun 17
Originally posted by roma45roma 45,
In each club you have a individual rating
It has to be the same with clans it would be easy to sand bag a player could just start a clan Lise lots of games to keep his rating low to play for his main clan
It's a sad fact players will cheat
Only way is an individual clan by clan rating or make it a player can only play for one clan
I know it spoils it fo ...[text shortened]... y of honest players but some will never stop trying to. Find a loophole better known as cheating
I agree, I don't see any other way of doing it!
-VR
17 Jun 17
Originally posted by padgerpadger,
If we do it this way we will not get it
It appears that you are most likely correct on this, but why accept something you personally are not happy with? We will have no choice but to go with what Russ says of course in the end.
I believe we are just expressing our feelings on the issue in a civil matter. At least we are going in the right direction on it.
-VR