Originally posted by Very RustyI agree, action stopping the obvious on going collusion needs to happen sooner rather than later.
Russ,
I am anxiously awaiting your decision on what is going to be done, especially about what has happened in 2016 concerning the collusion between four clans. It has come to a point where Paying Subscribers have been leaving, are leaving & will be leaving, or not re-newing their Subscriptions.
We are talking long time subscribers here. I know you ...[text shortened]... yone will be in agreement. Doing something will be much better than not doing ANYTHING!!!
-VR
Originally posted by BigDoggProblemnot giving any one a lecture,
Whether on-topic or not, if someone makes a false statement about me, I'll probably correct it.
There have been a large number of of off-topic posts in this thread, including your own about retroactively changing the 2016 clan results. You've no room to lecture others on making off-topic posts.
not interested in changing the 2016 result, i honestly don't care who won, i don't have the time to run a successful clan.
this thread is about "improving the clan system" 2016 challenge was ruined by collusion, in the past points have been removed and clans suspended, sending out a message by punishing those involved as a warning to others will certainly improve the clan system. so it's on topic
just because you might have a higher rating than me does not give your ideas more credit? perhaps you think that way i don't know.
clan games are a team event the low players get a point for a win, high rated like you who play "quality chess" well you get a point as well
can you think of any idea or system that will stop collusion? only points removal and suspensions will stop it
Originally posted by padgera different clan rating that would stop using tournaments to sand bag.
Whilst I agree that on the surface it appears to be off topic the trouble is that people are using tournaments to reduce their rating and so skew clan challenges as well as tournaments
So you cannot do one without the other
Engine users are for another time
but will not stop collusion
Originally posted by roma45Warnings about collusion are on-topic.
not giving any one a lecture,
not interested in changing the 2016 result, i honestly don't care who won, i don't have the time to run a successful clan.
this thread is about "improving the clan system" 2016 challenge was ruined by collusion, in the past points have been removed and clans suspended, sending out a message by punishing those involved as a wa ...[text shortened]... of any idea or system that will stop collusion? only points removal and suspensions will stop it
Requests to the site admin to modify the 2016 results are not.
You earlier showed a lot of interest in changing the 2016 results. I've no idea why you are backpedaling on that now.
Points removal and suspension is one way to stop collision, but I wonder if Russ has the stomach for that to be ongoing. So far, it seems the answer is "no".
Originally posted by BigDoggProblemit has happened before
Warnings about collusion are on-topic.
Requests to the site admin to modify the 2016 results are not.
You earlier showed a lot of interest in changing the 2016 results. I've no idea why you are backpedaling on that now.
Points removal and suspension is one way to stop collision, but I wonder if Russ has the stomach for that to be ongoing. So far, it seems the answer is "no".
points have been removed
clans have been suspended
russ has not given an answer yet to the collusion fiasco
not back peddling as you try and twist things, i don't care who wins so i can't be accused of a hidden agenda, i believe in fairness to me 4 clans spoiled the whole of last year.
catch someone breaking a window, what should the police do?
punish them or have a go at the owner of the window for not making it strong enough? that is the same as the clan system blaming the owner because players are cheating.
not asking for anyone to be banned a simple points removal and warning, when they see they are punished it will stop,or punished again.
i don't understand why you are not interested in seeing justice and integrity restored to the site.
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Originally posted by roma45Yes, it has happened before, just like banning engine users has happened before; but banning engines stopped happening, and Russ stopped answering the many questions and pleas for action on the topic. He got tired of the constant headache of the issue.
it has happened before
points have been removed
clans have been suspended
russ has not given an answer yet to the collusion fiasco
not back peddling as you try and twist things, i don't care who wins so i can't be accused of a hidden agenda, i believe in fairness to me 4 clans spoiled the whole of last year.
catch someone breaking a window, what sho ...[text shortened]... on't understand why you are not interested in seeing justice and integrity restored to the site.
My guess is that the same thing's happened with the Clan results. Once he realized that Clans were going to "collude" again and again, in spite of the bannings and point adjustments, he gave up on it.
I admire your simple faith that something will be done, but it's been over a year now with no action taken. A betting man would wager against it happening.
Originally posted by moonbusi totally disagree
RE collusion: removal of points will not stop it. Banning the clans which are colluding will not stop it. These are at best remedial reactions after the fact.
One has to understand the motive which led to collusion and remove the motive. Then it will stop.
removing points give the players involved a "yellow card" threat of getting banned it will stop.
remove the motive? if the motive is spite no system will stop that, not saying that's what happened last year, but just imagine a few will continue to cheat by collusion, a points removal and a banning threat will be the only answer
Originally posted by roma45That was tried two years ago, the same people were back with a vengeance a year later.
i totally disagree
removing points give the players involved a "yellow card" threat of getting banned it will stop.
remove the motive? if the motive is spite no system will stop that, not saying that's what happened last year, but just imagine a few will continue to cheat by collusion, a points removal and a banning threat will be the only answer
Originally posted by moonbusyeah two types
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who try the same thing again harder if it didn't work the first time, and those who try something different.
I'm for trying something different.
you fall into the give up after one go
i prefer the try and try again camp.
first time suspend clans that has happened
second time suspend clans and remove points
third time ban them from the site
that will stop collusion no system you put forward will stop collusion
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Originally posted by roma45Makes perfect sense.
yeah two types
you fall into the give up after one go
i prefer the try and try again camp.
first time suspend clans that has happened
second time suspend clans and remove points
third time ban them from the site
that will stop collusion no system you put forward will stop collusion
Originally posted by roma45You propose only remedial reactions to collusion after it has already happened.
yeah two types
you fall into the give up after one go
i prefer the try and try again camp.
first time suspend clans that has happened
second time suspend clans and remove points
third time ban them from the site
that will stop collusion no system you put forward will stop collusion
Merely suppressing the symptom without redressing the root cause will achieve nothing; it will erupt again.
To stop it happening, one has to address the reason why it is happening and remove that reason.