Vacation Status - Move Rule Proposal

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
I don't want more - I want a fair game of chess that's all. Which I get now with my selective opponent policy. I am just pointing out the absurd unfairness inherent in this system. Surely you can see that?

NB. I DO NOT WANT ANYTHING EXTRA.

You play pool at the local joint because it's cheap. All the pool sticks are bent, but it's a free game.

Some guy walks in and he's got his own stick. He's running the table. It's your turn to play him.

Tell him how unfair it is for him to have the straight stick, while you're stuck playing this bent stick. Perhaps he'll let you use his stick.

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Originally posted by Phlabibit
You play pool at the local joint because it's cheap. All the pool sticks are bent, but it's a free game.

Some guy walks in and he's got his own stick. He's running the table. It's your turn to play him.

Tell him how unfair it is for him to have the straight stick, while you're stuck playing this bent stick. Perhaps he'll let you use his stick.

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Yes but it is not disallowed for the free pool player to use his own *stick.

That would be the same as saying only subscribers can use databases.

I can understand you subscribers being so biased about this but whether you like it or not it isn't actually FAIR.
I am not crying about this, as already explained and I would still feel the same if I subscribed. I like to see fair play in everything - unfortunately I don't see it here.



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Originally posted by Phlabibit
I do think "No Vacation Games" are a good idea... but for paying customers only.

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Recced.

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Originally posted by FabianFnas
Some use the vacations system in a way that is wasn't meant to be used, I call this 'abuse'.

How was it "meant to be used"?

Russ said..."As from March 14th, the vacation system will be changing.

The new vacation system introduces protection from timeouts during a pre-arranged vacation period. This will apply to all games, including tournament games. "

Do I have to take a plane ride before I am properly using the vacation setting? Or can I set it if I have a heavy work load for a weak, and need, as Russ says "protection from timeouts"? However, it might turn out that during this week, I use chess as a method to relax, and so make my moves accordingly. Am I suddenly abusing the system?

Explain an example of abuse of the system please. And also, how the immunity from timeout, AKA vacation system, was "meant to be used"?

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Originally posted by Ragnorak
How was it "meant to be used"?

Russ said..."As from March 14th, the vacation system will be changing.

The new vacation system introduces protection from timeouts during a pre-arranged vacation period. This will apply to all games, including tournament games. "

Do I have to take a plane ride before I am properly using the vacation setting? Or can I ...[text shortened]... d also, how the immunity from timeout, AKA vacation system, was "meant to be used"?

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I think we are discussing the very definition of the word 'abuse', in the context of the present vacation system. This discussion is not leading anywhere. State your definition about the word 'abuse' and I will agree, I have no difficulties with that..

There are people that think that the current vacation system could be better. My proposal of 'sealed moves' is an attempt to give an alternate system of vacations. It works for games over the board, and it will work quite smoothly here at RHP. It doesn't slow down tournaments more than the present vacation system, and I think it will work better than the present one.

It is quite alright if you don't agree with me. That' is why we have an openminded discussion about it.

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
Yes but it is not disallowed for the free pool player to use his own *stick.

That would be the same as saying only subscribers can use databases.

I can understand you subscribers being so biased about this but whether you like it or not it isn't actually FAIR.
I am not crying about this, as already explained and I would still feel the same if I ...[text shortened]... I like to see fair play in everything - unfortunately I don't see it here.



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Pool stick. If we were talking about cars would you correct me and say "automobile"?

Non subs have 6 games, and 0 vacation time. They can use data.

I am a sub, I have vacation time... I am willing to bet I never use it. If it were up to me, we wouldn't have the current system at all. Time banks and time controls should have had this well covered, but here we are.

I have no sympathy if you don't want to pay up to get something you don't have. I myself have paid nearly 200 dollars towards this site for my subscription and donations because it is a great site. 30 dollars and you could have your vacation time if you desire it so bad. I can't understand someone using this site near 2 years for free and having a complaint about anything. I paid up within 2 weeks knowing the site was something special and well worth investing in.

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Originally posted by Ragnorak
How was it "meant to be used"?

Russ said..."As from March 14th, the vacation system will be changing.

The new vacation system introduces protection from timeouts during a pre-arranged vacation period. This will apply to all games, including tournament games. "

Do I have to take a plane ride before I am properly using the vacation setting? Or can I ...[text shortened]... d also, how the immunity from timeout, AKA vacation system, was "meant to be used"?

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Player A is two moves away from being checkmated - he decides to go into vacation mode and put off the inevitable for say 14 days. Hoping player B will get bored and resign. More likely if player B is a "freeloader".

Is that how it was meant to be used?

Originally posted by FabianFnas
I think we are discussing the very definition of the word 'abuse', in the context of the present vacation system. This discussion is not leading anywhere. State your definition about the word 'abuse' and I will agree, I have no difficulties with that..

There are people that think that the current vacation system could be better. My proposal of 'sealed ...[text shortened]... ght if you don't agree with me. That' is why we have an openminded discussion about it.

It will slow them down, but I don't care at all. I don't plan on using my vacation time when I do vacation. I rather enjoy visiting the cafe early in the day to hand write some FENS and setting up a chess board with a beer or 2 in the evening.

Sealed moves will slow things down, there is no 2 ways about it. If I were on vacation and couldn't look at my moves and couldn't make my moves please explain how that would speed it up let alone keep it at the same pace of play.

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Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
Player A is two moves away from being checkmated - he decides to go into vacation mode and put off the inevitable for say 14 days. Hoping player B will get bored and resign. More likely if player B is a "freeloader".

Is that how it was meant to be used?

That type of abuse is older than the vacation system.

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Originally posted by Phlabibit

I have no sympathy if you don't want to pay up to get something you don't have.

I personally do not want the vacation system at all thanks and I certainly wouldn't pay JUST to get it. Would you?

In fact I don't want anything more than I have now.

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
I personally do not want the vacation system at all thanks and I certainly wouldn't pay JUST to get it. Would you?

In fact I don't want anything more than I have now.

You wouldn't pay to get it, but you will complain it's unfair to those who don't want to pay for this site.

Gotcha.

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Originally posted by Phlabibit
Sealed moves will slow things down, there is no 2 ways about it. If I were on vacation and couldn't look at my moves and couldn't make my moves please explain how that would speed it up let alone keep it at the same pace of play.

Sealed moves will not speed things up. That's for sure.
But it will not slow down a tournament more than the present vacation system does.

The very purpous of a vacation system is to take a vacation and not make a single move during this vacation. There is no vacation system in the world that will not slow down a tournament.

We have all seen critisism about the foregoing vacation system as well as the current one. I think that the proposed vacation system of 'sealed moves' has no big disadvantage so it shouldn't be implemented.

Originally posted by Phlabibit
You wouldn't pay to get it, but you will complain it's unfair to those who don't want to pay for this site.

Gotcha.

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It's a fact that it is unfair, irrespective of my status.

Originally posted by FabianFnas
Sealed moves will not speed things up. That's for sure.
But it will not slow down a tournament more than the present vacation system does.

The very purpous of a vacation system is to take a vacation and not make a single move during this vacation. There is no vacation system in the world that will not slow down a tournament.

We have all seen critis ...[text shortened]... ed vacation system of 'sealed moves' has no big disadvantage so it shouldn't be implemented.

So now you are a vacation planner and have decided someone is not to play chess on vacation?

That is bold.

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Originally posted by Phlabibit
So now you are a vacation planner and have decided someone is not to play chess on vacation?

That is bold.

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People may do whatever they please on their vacation.
They can plan their vacation as they want, within limits.
My proposal about 'sealed moves' has nothing to do with this.