11 Apr 18
Originally posted by @divegeesterI'm so relaxed dude I can't do much of anything but smile... 🙂
There is no need to get upset. I ask the question becuase it makes you uncomfortable, as you are now. This is a good thing because when we are uncomfortable about our firmly held beliefs then we are in a position to modify them.
It’s ok that you don’t want to answer, but remember that we both know exactly precisely why you won’t answer, and here it ...[text shortened]... assertions then go ahead and do so, but don’t come back with weak comments about chain jerking.
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12 Apr 18
Originally posted by @galveston75Then why did you suggest salvation-by-faith-alone Christians should go “play ball” or something. It’s obvious you’re trying to earn your salvation and are serving God and man out of self-interest.
Sorry but none of that applies to me. I do it out of love and respect. Don't judge anyone....
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Originally posted by @romans1009I have never or will ever feel like I'm trying to earn anything. Even though it is a gift from God, his son Jesus told us to live a certain way and from ourselves being taught, we in turn have to share the same message Jesus taught about to all that will listen.
Then why did you suggest salvation-by-faith-alone Christians should go “play ball” or something. It’s obvious you’re trying to earn your salvation and are serving God and man out of self-interest.
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So no not all who "profess" to be Christian or even say they believe in Jehovah and Jesus will inherit the Kingdom. The bible is very clear on this as it says he will tell them to get away from him because of their law less ways.
So yes one has to do what Jesus commanded and that not only shows our faith in him and his Father, but it is something they do take note of. If one feels they are saved and all they have to do is say "I'm saved because I believe in Jesus" and that's it ,have some hard reality coming their way when the judgement begins.
If that's all it takes is to do mouth worship, then why didn't Jesus say that and then all of his followers would just be saved and then no sense in doing all the teaching work he and his followers did for years or all of their life's?
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Originally posted by @galveston75A heretic can be relaxed and smile.
I'm so relaxed dude I can't do much of anything but smile... 🙂
Then you have just a relaxed and smiling heretic who is teaching falsehood. That's all.
How many FIRSTS are there? One or TWO?
How many LASTS are there? One of TWO?
If there are more than one First then you have the First and the First before the Firsts.
If there is more than one Last then you have the Last after the Last.
Jehovah God before He incarnated as the man Jesus was the First and the Last.
"Thus says Jehovah the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, Jehovah of hosts.
I am the First and I am the Last.
And apart from Me there is no God." (Isaiah 44:6)
After incarnation, life on earth, death, descent into Hades, resurrection, and ascension in glory He is God-man and still "the First and the Last".
"And when I saw Him (One like the Son of Man), I fell at His feet as dead; and He placed His right hand on me, saying,
Do not fear; I am the First and the Last and the living One; and I became dead and behold, I am living forever and ever;
and I have the keys of death and of Hades." (Revelation 1:17,18)
Jehovah God is the only First and Last and Jesus is Jehovah God the Son and His Father Jehovah God the Father.
12 Apr 18
Originally posted by @galveston75Your decision to follow my prediction of avoiding the question is duly noted 😉
I'm so relaxed dude I can't do much of anything but smile... 🙂
Originally posted by @sonshipA trinitarian trying to bend the one Alpha and Omega into their doctrine of 3. 😵
How many FIRSTS are there? One or TWO?
How many LASTS are there? One of TWO?
If there are more than one First then you have the First and the First before the Firsts.
If there is more than one Last then you have the Last after the Last.
Jehovah God before He incarnated as the man Jesus was the First and the Last.
Jehovah God is the only First and Last and Jesus is Jehovah God the Son and His Father Jehovah God the Father.
12 Apr 18
Originally posted by @galveston75Ok, so what does one have to do to see eternal life?
I have never or will ever feel like I'm trying to earn anything. Even though it is a gift from God, his son Jesus told us to live a certain way and from ourselves being taught, we in turn have to share the same message Jesus taught about to all that will listen.
So no not all who "profess" to be Christian or even say they believe in Jehovah and Jesus ...[text shortened]... sense in doing all the teaching work he and his followers did for years or all of their life's?
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Originally posted by @galveston75<<If one feels they are saved and all they have to do is say "I'm saved because I believe in Jesus" and that's it ,have some hard reality coming their way when the judgement begins.
I have never or will ever feel like I'm trying to earn anything. Even though it is a gift from God, his son Jesus told us to live a certain way and from ourselves being taught, we in turn have to share the same message Jesus taught about to all that will listen.
So no not all who "profess" to be Christian or even say they believe in Jehovah and Jesus ...[text shortened]... sense in doing all the teaching work he and his followers did for years or all of their life's?
If that's all it takes is to do mouth worship,..>>
You seem to have no idea what genuine belief in Jesus Christ and His Resurrection is about. Do you know such belief leads to the indwelling of God’s Holy Spirit? What do you think this verse from Romans means?
“The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:”
(Romans 8:16)
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Originally posted by @divegeesterNot much bending is needed, only quotation and faith.
A trinitarian trying to bend the one Alpha and Omega into their doctrine of 3. 😵
Let's see if we can count three who are indwelling the Christian from Romans 8:9-11
"But you are not in the flesh but in the spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in You. (v.9a)
So far that is 1 - "the Spirit of God" dwells in the Christian.
Going on then -
"Yet if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not of Him." (v.9b)
Well is that 2 now or still 1?
Its hard to tell. The two terms - "the Spirit of God" and "the Spirit of Christ" are used interchangeably.
Going on.
"But if Christ is in you, ..."(v.10a)
Now we do have arguably 2 and perhaps 3 .
Someone called "the Spirit of Christ" is in the believers. But He can also be called "Christ". We all know Who Christ is. He's the Son of God.
Possibly 2 are revealed to live in the Christian.
And arguably it might be 3. The terms are used interchangeably -
The Spirit of God - The Spirit of Christ - Christ.
Going on.
"And if the Spirit of the One who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, ... (v.11a)
This is arguably even 3 indwelling the Christian.
Christ is obviously Jesus Christ. He is in the Christian.
Yet also "the Spirit of the One who raised Jesus from the dead" is in the believer. The Father raised Jesus from the dead.
These titles are all used interchangeably -
The Spirit of God - The Spirit of Christ - Christ - The Spirit of the One who raised Jesus from the dead.
The believer can detect no difference.
The believer can discern hardly any separateness.
Christ is in them and the Spirit of the one Who raised Christ is too. And the Spirit of Christ is too.
Going on.
But Jesus uses the plural pronoun of "We" when He speaks of He and the Father coming to make an abode with the lovers of Christ.
"Jesus answered and said to him, If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word, and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make an abode with him." (John 14:23)
Surely by considering both John 14:23 and Romans 8:9-11 we can see that indwelling the lovers of Jesus who receive Christ is a Triune God. And no one can erase the plural pronoun "WE" -
Father and Son come to make an abode with the believer.
"We will come to him and make an abode with him."
Praise God for His wonderful tri-une nature.
12 Apr 18
Originally posted by @sonshipYou are funny.
Not much bending is needed, only quotation and faith.
Let's see if we can count three who are indwelling the Christian from [b]Romans 8:9-11
"But you are not in the flesh but in the spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in You. (v.9a)
So far that is 1 - "the Spirit of God" dwells in the Christian.
...[text shortened]... him and make an abode with him." [/b] [/quote]
Praise God for His wonderful tri-une nature.[/b]
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Originally posted by @divegeesterYou are a man of few words. That is few effective words.
You are funny.
You cannot show that the "We" is NOT at least the Father and the Son living in the Christian. And of course the Holy Spirit is given to the Christian.
So then "you are funny" is pretty weak to thinly veil your lack of enthusiasm and lack of skill to show that God is not three-one.
12 Apr 18
Originally posted by @sonshipHear oh Israel the Lord your god is ONE.
You are a man of few words. That is few [b]effective words.
You cannot show that the "We" is NOT at least the Father and the Son living in the Christian. And of course the Holy Spirit is given to the Christian.
So then "you are funny" is pretty weak to thinly veil your lack of enthusiasm and lack of skill to show that God is not three-one.[/b]
There is one throne in heaven, who sits on it, Jesus, Jehovah or the Holy Spirit?
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12 Apr 18
Originally posted by @divegeesterHave you heard of the egg analogy, tiger? An egg has the shell, yolk and white stuff - three distinct components but one egg.
Like you are a son, a brother and father.
3 but actually just the same person in three offices.
Or maybe this will be easier for you. Think of a pint of lager - you’ve got the barley, hops and malt. Three distinct ingredients but one lager.