6 day creation story, ancient Egyptian mythology:

Originally posted by sonhouse
If it's so authentic, tell me why an omniscient god would set up the story in Genesis where Eve takes a bite of the forbidden fruit when this omniscient so-called god would have known all about what Eve was going to do even before it created the universe and Earth.

So why would it go ahead and set a trap it knew would lead to the failure of Eve?

Why ...[text shortened]... N and no god was involved. The same with the rest of the bullshyte tales in your despised bible.

Show me where in the Holy Bible does it say God is omniscient as you define the word? Why would God have to ask any questions, as He does in the Bible, if He were omniscent?

God may be omniscient compared to us, but I dont believe that would mean God does not have the ability to learn from His mistakes. That would be putting a limit on God.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Show me where in the Holy Bible does it say God is omniscient as you define the word? Why would God have to ask any questions, as He does in the Bible, if He were omniscent?

God may be omniscient compared to us, but I dont believe that would mean God does not have the ability to learn from His mistakes. That would be putting a limit on God.

It just goes to say your so-called god is no god at all, just a man made construct to dupe billions of people for the purposes of religious control and to build a political power base.

But here is a verse that says your god is omniscient:

1 John 3:20 ESV

For whenever our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and he knows everything.

Matthew 10:30 ESV

But even the hairs of your head are all numbered.


Numbers 23:19 ESV
God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?

That verse goes directly against the idea that your so-called god could make a mistake.

Jeremiah 1:5 ESV

“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”

Sounds pretty omniscient to me. Clearly stating your so-called god knew in advance that Eve would eat the forbidden fruit and therefore why set the trap in the first place.

Originally posted by sonhouse
It just goes to say your so-called god is no god at all, just a man made construct to dupe billions of people for the purposes of religious control and to build a political power base.

But here is a verse that says your god is omniscient:

1 John 3:20 ESV

For whenever our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and he knows everything.
...[text shortened]... dvance that Eve would eat the forbidden fruit and therefore why set the trap in the first place.

There is nothing there that claims God can't make a mistake because he is omniscient.

The context of 1 John 3:20 is our attitude before God in prayer. The idea is that even though we may have feeling of unworthiness because of are sins, we should not be afraid to go before God in prayer, because God already knows everything about our sins and is greater than those feelings and will forgive those with a sincere heart.

The fact that God knows more things than anyone else doesn't make Him omniscient in my opinion or mean He can't make a mistake.

If God is omnicient and can't make a mistake and learn anything, then how do you explain the following verses?

Genesis 6:6

New King James Version (NKJV)

And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.

1 Samuel 15:10-11

New King James Version (NKJV)

Now the word of the Lord came to Samuel, saying, “I greatly regret that I have set up Saul as king, for he has turned back from following Me, and has not performed My commandments.” And it grieved Samuel, and he cried out to the Lord all night.

Originally posted by RJHinds
There is nothing there that claims God can't make a mistake because he is omniscient.

The context of 1 John 3:20 is our attitude before God in prayer. The idea is that even though we may have feeling of unworthiness because of are sins, we should not be afraid to go before God in prayer, because God already knows everything about our sins and is greater ...[text shortened]... t performed My commandments.” And it grieved Samuel, and he cried out to the Lord all night.[/b]

So that is just another example of the hypocrisy in the bible, one verse says your god knows EVERYTHING and another saying your god didn't know something.

It seems the writers can't get their dogma stories straight. That would be because they were hundreds of years separated in time, many generations apart and did not read the earlier stuff which was put together later and not made into an encoded bible till the council at nicea in AD 325.

Since there was no god involved and it was all just bullshyte tales written by men and ONLY by men they just couldn't get their stories to match so one verse says god knows EVERYTHING, which says omniscient to me and another saying he screwed up, thus saying he DOESN'T know everything.

They should have read the earlier crap first so at least they could keep the story line the same.

But they couldn't thus revealing the whole scam as just that, a scam which has duped billions of people to this day.

Too bad you can't see that.

Originally posted by sonhouse
So that is just another example of the hypocrisy in the bible, one verse says your god knows EVERYTHING and another saying your god didn't know something.

It seems the writers can't get their dogma stories straight. That would be because they were hundreds of years separated in time, many generations apart and did not read the earlier stuff which was pu ...[text shortened]... just that, a scam which has duped billions of people to this day.

Too bad you can't see that.

You are doing the same thing JWs do by taking verses out of context. It did not say, "God knows everything about everything." Ask yourself what was the subject that John was talking about. He certainly could not be talking about everything each of us would decide to do in the future for what would be the point of giving us free will to decide to obey Him or not?

Originally posted by RJHinds
You are doing the same thing JWs do by taking verses out of context. It did not say, "God knows everything about everything." Ask yourself what was the subject that John was talking about. He certainly could not be talking about everything each of us would decide to do in the future for what would be the point of giving us free will to decide to obey Him or not?

I am merely pointing out there was no god in the writing of the bible and the books chosen were done so in the council of nicea in 325 AD based more on political stances than religious ones.

Like Revelations, it was definitely a tract written against Rome, which John put in the role of Anti-Christ and so forth.

These are historical facts but you could never accept a mundane explanation for that really stupid book and all the other stupid fairy tales.

Originally posted by sonhouse
I am merely pointing out there was no god in the writing of the bible and the books chosen were done so in the council of nicea in 325 AD based more on political stances than religious ones.

Like Revelations, it was definitely a tract written against Rome, which John put in the role of Anti-Christ and so forth.

These are historical facts but you cou ...[text shortened]... r accept a mundane explanation for that really stupid book and all the other stupid fairy tales.

Well, no one has proved that God did not inspire the writings of those books or that they were accepted more on political stances than religious ones. All those that voted for those books to be included were religious leaders, not political leaders.

Rome isn't even mentioned in Revelations. Perhaps you should read it some day.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Well, no one has proved that God did not inspire the writings of those books or that they were accepted more on political stances than religious ones. All those that voted for those books to be included were religious leaders, not political leaders.

Rome isn't even mentioned in Revelations. Perhaps you should read it some day.

I think the sea monster with seven crowns is normally regarded as representing Rome.

Originally posted by DeepThought
I think the sea monster with seven crowns is normally regarded as representing Rome.

Revelation 17 portrays religious Babylon.

Revelation 18 portrays material Babylon - the city of Rome.

The "seven mountains where the woman sits" (Rev. 17:9) should be the seven hills upon which the city of Rome is built.

There is some overlap between the religious Babylon and the material Babylon.

Originally posted by sonship

The [b]"seven mountains where the woman sits" (Rev. 17:9) should be the seven hills upon which the city of Rome is built.

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So why doesn't it say that?

Originally posted by DeepThought
I think the sea monster with seven crowns is normally regarded as representing Rome.

They are called "beasts" not "monsters." The beasts refer to those empires or kingdoms that are influenced by Satan to be hostile to the true God and to Israel and God's people. It is believed that the coming Antichrist will rule a beast empire and will be under the direct control of Satan and therefore, he is often referred to as a beast, as well, just as Satan is referred to as a serpent or dragon beast.

The only one with seven crowns is the one in Revelation 12 and it probably does refer to the Roman Empire since it was the one under Satan's contol at the time Jesus was born.

And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

(Revelation 12:3-5 KJV)

Originally posted by wolfgang59
So why doesn't it say that?

Because John did not want to get fried by the Romans for writing an obvious anti-roman tract.

Originally posted by wolfgang59
So why doesn't it say that?

Because the seven mountains have nothing to do with the seven hills upon which the city of Rome is built.

In prophecy THE mountain usually refers to THE Kingdom of God.

"It shall come to pass in the last days that the mountain of the LORD's house shall be established in the top of the mountains."
Isaiah 2:2-4

Mountains in general often refer to worldly kingdoms.

Hills usually represent smaller kingdoms.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Show me where in the Holy Bible does it say God is omniscient as you define the word? Why would God have to ask any questions, as He does in the Bible, if He were omniscent?

God may be omniscient compared to us, but I dont believe that would mean God does not have the ability to learn from His mistakes. That would be putting a limit on God.

Omniscience is part of the definition. God cannot make mistakes. If God does it it is not a mistake. The questions God asks in the Bible are rhetorical.

Originally posted by DeepThought
Omniscience is part of the definition. God cannot make mistakes. If God does it it is not a mistake. The questions God asks in the Bible are rhetorical.

You think?