Originally posted by @karoly-aczelWhat chance do you stand in this forum If you permit the likes of SecondSon to get this far under your skin?
BTW get fu**** c*** face. You are below the scum that lives on the bottom of the ocean.
Originally posted by @divegeesterSecondSon is a kind of sloganeering Christian chip-on-his-shoulder white van man always hitting the ground bristling with his darkly portentous rote-learned guff.
What chance do you stand in this forum If you permit the likes of SecondSon to get this far under your skin?
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke to karoly azcelHe's certainly not the kind of community member he once was.
You have become a vile and foul-mouthed addition to this forum.
Shame on you.
Originally posted by @secondsonApparently every doctrine which conflicts with your church doctrine is of the evil one. The truth of the matter is that your church is of the evil one because it denies the critical teachings of Christ pertaining to good works and righteousness as essential prerequisites for eternal life in the Kingdom of God. Your teachings are unChristlike and unbiblical.
There's nothing in the narrative that suggests anyone was drunk, and even if there were it would be contrary of the rest of scripture which prohibits drunkenness.
Furthermore, the idea that Jesus turned water into wine so that people would sin by getting drunk is of the evil one.
It's polluted thinking. An irrational and illogical construct of a reprobate mind.
As for this issue two things are very clear
- that there must have been a lot of drunk people after consuming all the wine provided by the wedding and then consuming the wine provided by Christ.
- that Jesus drank alcohol with the local people otherwise they would not have called Him a winebibber.
The attitude of Christ regarding drinking alcohol is reflected here
Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry: for that shall abide with him of his labour the days of his life, which God giveth him under the sun. (Ecclesiastes 8:15 KJV)
Eating, drinking and being merry is good. When done to excess is when the sin starts. Eating a lot is not a sin, but gluttony is. Drinking a lot is not a sin but drinking to the point where it leads to sins of the flesh is a sin. Being merry is not a sin but if it leads to worldliness and materialism it is a sin.
Originally posted by @fmfNot "het up" in the slightest. That's just you projecting your misperceptions.
I think if Jesus wanted to demonstrate that getting drunk was "biblically unacceptable" then he wouldn't have taken the action that he is said to have taken at the wedding of Cana. You shouldn't get so het up about stuff like this. Encountering people with different perspectives is par for the course on a forum like this,
Misperceptions based on skewed intellectual hypocrisy. You don't even believe Jesus turned water into wine, yet you presume to inject into the account things that support your unwavering commitment to undermine the scripture.
The views you express aren't "different perspectives". They are simply the overreaching idiosyncratic ideological opinions of a mind absent of faith in the truth of God's Word.
11 Aug 18
Originally posted by @secondsonYes they are. They are different from yours.
The views you express aren't "different perspectives".
Originally posted by @fmfThere are always those that are happy to drink more wine, but the account of the miracle of Jesus turning water into wine knows nothing about that.
If you think the people who had drunk all the booze available were sober, then that is your prerogative.
It's your prerogative to think what you will, but you'd be missing the truth and meaning of the scriptures if you continue to think they mean something other than what they are saying.
You've fallen for the ages old deception of either adding to or taking away from the Word of God that began in the beginning.
Originally posted by @secondsonI don't believe your claim that getting drunk is "biblically unacceptable", not when you have an account in the Bible in which Jesus is said to have created wine for a group of people who had drunk so freely that the booze had run out.
You don't even believe Jesus turned water into wine, yet you presume to inject into the account things that support your unwavering commitment to undermine the scripture.
Originally posted by @secondsonSo you believe all the people he supposedly created wine for were sober?
There are always those that are happy to drink more wine, but the account of the miracle of Jesus turning water into wine knows nothing about that.
It's your prerogative to think what you will, but you'd be missing the truth and meaning of the scriptures if you continue to think they mean something other than what they are saying.
You've fallen for ...[text shortened]... d deception of either adding to or taking away from the Word of God that began in the beginning.
11 Aug 18
Originally posted by @fmfThe Bible condemns and prohibits drunkenness. Appears that fact is a real stumbling block for you.
I don't believe your claim that getting drunk is "biblically unacceptable", not when you have an account in the Bible in which Jesus is said to have created wine for a group of people who had drunk so freely that the booze had run out.
Originally posted by @secondsonYour Bible says Jesus created wine for wedding guests who had polished off all the booze that had been available.
The Bible condemns and prohibits drunkenness. Appears that fact is a real stumbling block for you.
11 Aug 18
Originally posted by @secondsonThey are. My perspectives are different from yours.
They aren't different.
The custom of the host was to initially serve good wine, presumably until the guests were intoxicated enough to not notice that cheap wine was being served.
It's highly likely that most were drunk, even though this point wasn't included in John 2.
It does beg the question of why Jesus would give more wine to people who were already likely drunk.
Originally posted by @fmfWhether there were drunk people or not is irrelevant to a sober discussion of the account of the water turned to wine.
So you believe all the people he supposedly created wine for were sober?
That you think it does is evidence of an intellect steeped in unbelief bent on derailing rational discussion.