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Originally posted by whodeyIts just a bunch of made up myths.
Sure, the Bible is a bunch of nonsense. Just ask a Biblical acrcheologist. Its just a bunch of made up myths.
Well the story of Noah and the flood is for sure.
Interesting quote from biblical archaeologist William G.Dever Ph.D,
Archaeology as it is practiced today must be able to challenge, as well as confirm, the Bible stories. Some things described there really did happen, but others did not. The Biblical narratives about Abraham, Moses, Joshua and Solomon probably reflect some historical memories of people and places, but the 'larger than life' portraits of the Bible are unrealistic and contradicted by the archaeological evidence.
and
My view all along—and especially in the recent books—is first that the biblical narratives are indeed 'stories,' often fictional and almost always propagandistic, but that here and there they contain some valid historical information.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_G._Dever
12 Sep 10
Originally posted by whodeyIf you chart humanities course from the time of Adam, the Biblical account is on target.
If you chart humanities course from the time of Adam, the Biblical account is on target. However, what you are discussing is the pre-Adam account of the six days of creation.
As for myself, I am of the opinion that this is not a literal 6 days. In addition, I think mankind became "human" only when God breathed a soul life into Adam. How God created Adam up till that point is but a mystery.
Really? Run me through that whodey.
However, what you are discussing is the pre-Adam account of the six days of creation.
No i'm not. I'm after evidence for the Biblical account of Adam & Eve. ie humanity has only been around for 6,000yrs or so.
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Originally posted by Proper KnobBIBLE LISTS OF JESUS’ GENEALOGY
[b]If you chart humanities course from the time of Adam, the Biblical account is on target.
Really? Run me through that whodey.
However, what you are discussing is the pre-Adam account of the six days of creation.
No i'm not. I'm after evidence for the Biblical account of Adam & Eve. ie humanity has only been around for 6,000yrs or so.[/b]
Genesis 1 Chronicles Matthew Luke
and Ruth Chaps 1, 2, 3 Chap 1 Chap 3
Adam Adam Adam
Seth Seth Seth
Enosh Enosh Enosh
Kenan Kenan Cainan
Mahalalel Mahalalel Mahalaleel
Jared Jared Jared
Enoch Enoch Enoch
Methuselah Methuselah Methuselah
Lamech Lamech Lamech
Noah Noah Noah
Shem Shem Shem
Arpachshad Arpachshad Arpachshad
Cainan
Shelah Shelah Shelah
Eber Eber Eber
Peleg Peleg Peleg
Reu Reu Reu
Serug Serug Serug
Nahor Nahor Nahor
Terah Terah Terah
Abram Abraham Abraham Abraham
(Abraham)
Isaac Isaac Isaac Isaac
Jacob (Israel) Jacob Jacob Jacob
Judah (and Judah Judah Judah
Tamar) (and Tamar)
Perez Perez Perez Perez
Hezron Hezron Hezron Hezron
Ram Ram Ram Arni (Ram?)
Amminadab Amminadab Amminadab Amminadab
Nahshon Nahshon Nahshon Nahshon
Salmon Salmon (Salma, Salmon (and Salmon
1Ch 2:11) Rahab)
Boaz (and Boaz Boaz (and Boaz
Ruth) Ruth)
Obed Obed Obed Obed
Jesse Jesse Jesse Jesse
David David David (and David
Bath-sheba)
Solomon Solomon Nathan 1
Rehoboam Rehoboam Mattatha
Abijah Abijah Menna
Asa Asa Melea
Jehoshaphat Jehoshaphat Eliakim
Jehoram Jehoram Jonam
Ahaziah Joseph
Jehoash
Judas
Symeon
Amaziah Levi
Azariah (Uzziah) Uzziah Matthat
(Azariah)
Jotham Jotham Jorim
Ahaz Ahaz Eliezer
Hezekiah Hezekiah Jesus
Manasseh Manasseh Er
Amon Amon Elmadam
Josiah Josiah Cosam
Jehoiakim Addi
Melchi
Jeconiah Jeconiah Neri
(Jehoiachin)
Shealtiel Shealtiel Shealtiel 3
(Pedaiah) 2
Zerubbabel 4 Zerubbabel Zerubbabel
Rhesa
Abiud Joanan
Joda
Eliakim Josech
Semein
Azor Mattathias
Maath
Zadok Naggai
Esli
Achim Nahum
Amos
Eliud Mattathias
Joseph
Eleazar Jannai
Melchi
Matthan Levi
Matthat
Jacob Heli (father
of Mary)
Joseph Joseph (Heli’s
son-in-law)
Jesus Jesus
(foster son) (Mary’s son)
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Originally posted by galveston75Evidence Galvo. You can't use text from the Bible to prove the Bible true, it's a logical contradiction.
How's this?
BIBLE LISTS OF JESUS’ GENEALOGY
Genesis 1 Chronicles Matthew Luke
and Ruth Chaps 1, 2, 3 Chap 1 Chap 3
Adam Adam Adam
Seth Seth Seth
Enosh Enosh Enosh
Kenan Kenan ...[text shortened]... Jesus Jesus
(foster son) (Mary’s son)
The Bible is true.
How come?
Ermmm......because the Bible says so.
I need a little bit more than that.
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Originally posted by Proper KnobHow did I know that when you wanted proof and it's shown to you from the Bible you don't accept it? I saw that coming from a mile away...
Evidence Galvo. You can't use text from the Bible to prove the Bible true, it's a logical contradiction.
The Bible is true.
How come?
Ermmm......because the Bible says so.
I need a little bit more than that.
12 Sep 10
Originally posted by Proper Knobhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogy_of_Jesus
Evidence Galvo. You can't use text from the Bible to prove the Bible true, it's a logical contradiction.
The Bible is true.
How come?
Ermmm......because the Bible says so.
I need a little bit more than that.
Can you look this up or do I need to past it here for you?
12 Sep 10
Originally posted by galveston75I can look it up thanks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogy_of_Jesus
Can you look this up or do I need to past it here for you?
But that's not evidence, here's a greek mythology family tree. Does that mean greek mythology is true?
http://www.theoi.com/Tree.html
12 Sep 10
Originally posted by Proper KnobWell I have no idea what proof you want. I'd love to go to a bunch of museums to get that info you but I' just can't afford it at this moment...
I can look it up thanks.
But that's not evidence, here's a greek mythology family tree. Does that mean greek mythology is true?
http://www.theoi.com/Tree.html
But for you I'll keep looking. 🙂
PS. I can't say for sure but for WIKI to publish that info, I'm sure it was reasearched by them to make sure and get the info right. ?????
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Originally posted by galveston75I think he is looking for birth certificates. Of course, not even Obama can produce that so I'm not sure how to convince him. 😛
Well I have no idea what proof you want. I'd love to go to a bunch of museums to get that info you but I' just can't afford it at this moment...
But for you I'll keep looking. 🙂
PS. I can't say for sure but for WIKI to publish that info, I'm sure it was reasearched by them to make sure and get the info right. ?????
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Originally posted by Proper KnobWell lets see, some claimed that David was a myth, until they found archeological evidence that countered that. Many also declared the Israelite existence in Egypt a myth, until archealogical evidence said otherwise.
My view all along—and especially in the recent books—is first that the biblical narratives are indeed 'stories,' often fictional and almost always propagandistic, but that here and there they contain some valid historical information.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_G._Dever[/b]
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Originally posted by whodeyHe may need to go see for himself to know it's truely real....
Well lets see, some claimed that David was a myth, until they found archeological evidence that countered that. Many also declared the Israelite existence in Egypt a myth, until archealogical evidence said otherwise.
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Originally posted by Proper Knobi was referring to archaeological evidence which verifies biblical accounts, like the fall of Tyre, the destruction of Babylon, indeed i would like to ask you, which of these is a fairy tale as you so eloquently put it?
Sorry you feel resentful, i'm merely calling it as i see it.
Evidence from archaeology. Where's the evidence for the 6,000yr history of mankind as you so believe?
We'll start there, at the beginning.
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perhaps there is written evidence earlier than six thousand years, perhaps there are settlements older than six thousand years? indeed as it has been pointed out, it seems extraordinarily strange that humans should have been evolving for several thousand years for them suddenly to start writing things down only as recently as 3000 years ago, yes , very strange indeed that we had the capacity for thought and writing but that no one used it for almost eighty thousand or so years, strange indeed! anyway, this is a thread about who goes to heaven, for the benefit of divegeester and deucer and raj, who obviously dont know and who have called out Jesus as a liar, therefore we can fry these other fish first before we tackle these other issues?