15 Jul 06
Originally posted by masscatActually, some months ago I looked at some court documents that explained why he's in trouble. Basic gist was that he flat lied repeatedly about his money. Then when he argued it with the court, he claimed that all the money belonged to God. He had said something about filing himself as an alien of the US ('Be in the world, but not of the world, I guess). Simply put, besides being a deranged anti-science twit; he is also a deranged anti-government twit too.
His beliefs aside, I wonder if his arrest had anything to do with the fact that he had sued the IRS in the past.
15 Jul 06
Originally posted by FreakyKBHCheck out his crap. Even the other wacko Creationists distance themselves from him.
I haven't formed an opinion regarding Hovind one way or another, never having read any of his stuff. However, I have formed an especially emphatic opinion of the life-sucking piracy that is the IRS.
15 Jul 06
Originally posted by telerionHow is this a blow to YEC here? I didn't even know this guy's name
I just read about this on another board that I frequent.
"Dr." Dino has been arrested and charged. Too bad dj2becker isn't around anymore to celebrate with us. I hope (though I don't hold my breath) that this will prevent honest xians from using his fraudulent material.
http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060713/NEWS01/60713013
till I looked at the link.
Kelly
15 Jul 06
Originally posted by KellyJayIt's a blow to all the YEC's who use his garbage to support their belief. By the way, his popular name among YEC's is "Dr." Dino. Plenty of crazies have come through this forum spouting his nonsense (dj2becker was the first that came to my mind)
How is this a blow to YEC here? I didn't even know this guy's name
till I looked at the link.
Kelly
15 Jul 06
Originally posted by telerionHow is that he cheats on his taxes (IF he cheats on his taxes) a "blow" to YECs? Surely the correctness of their ideas has no relation to their personal conduct. If Einstein cheated on his wife, would that mean Relativity would have received a "blow"?
It's a blow to all the YEC's who use his garbage to support their belief. By the way, his popular name among YEC's is "Dr." Dino. Plenty of crazies have come through this forum spouting his nonsense (dj2becker was the first that came to my mind)
15 Jul 06
Originally posted by telerionOkay, didn't realize that was what was going on.
It's a blow to all the YEC's who use his garbage to support their belief. By the way, his popular name among YEC's is "Dr." Dino. Plenty of crazies have come through this forum spouting his nonsense (dj2becker was the first that came to my mind)
Kelly
15 Jul 06
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Originally posted by no1marauderBecause I and others have long argued that the man is a scam artist. His "doctorate" is essentially fake. He purposefully distorts or outright lies about empirical data. His mission was to raise a lot of money, and he'll break the law to do it as evidenced by his ridiculous tax evasion (if you haven't you should actually read up on the case, it's astounding how stupid he is)
How is that he cheats on his taxes (IF he cheats on his taxes) a "blow" to YECs? Surely the correctness of their ideas has no relation to their personal conduct. If Einstein cheated on his wife, would that mean Relativity would have received a "blow"?
Finally, and probably the best of all, Hovind fans are always citing his $250,000 challenge. Apparently if you prove evolution then you get $250,000 from Kent Hovind; but he's telling the US government that he doesn't have any money, so he's clearly lying to some one (actually he's lying to both).
Edit: Notice that I said it was a blow to YEC's, not to YECism.
15 Jul 06
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Originally posted by telerionSorry, I fail to see how it's a blow to YECs in general. That Hovind may be a tax cheat or a scam artist has no bearing on others who hold YEC's beliefs. As a non-YECs, I don't consider it a "blow" when some geologist or biologist who doesn't believe such nonsense gets a speeding ticket or shoplifts a bagel or eats his children.
Because I and others have long argued that the man is a scam artist. His "doctorate" is essentially fake. He purposefully distorts or outright lies about empirical data. His mission was to raise a lot of money, and he'll break the law to do it as evidenced by his ridiculous tax evasion (if you haven't you should actually read up on the case, it's astound 's lying to both).
Edit: Notice that I said it was a blow to YEC's, not to YECism.
15 Jul 06
Originally posted by no1marauderIt is a blow to the YEC's that use his material. They see him as a champion for truth in a world of lies. Your regard for any biologist or geologist comes nowhere close to the awe a lot of these folks have for Mr. Hovind.
Sorry, I fail to see how it's a blow to YECs in general. That Hovind may be a tax cheat or a scam artist has no bearing on others who hold YEC's beliefs. As a non-YECs, I don't consider it a "blow" when some geologist or biologist who doesn't believe such nonsense gets a speeding ticket or shoplifts a bagel or eats his children.
It's a blow when you find out that your hero is a criminal. It's a blow to the YEC organizations that stood with him. It's a blow to the churches that invited him into their company. It's a blow to all the YEC's who have been sending his "ministry" their hard-earned dollars.
Obviously, I'm not going to argue that YECism is false because Kent Hovind's a cheat. It's just nice to see one more smug YEC scam artist get his just desserts (and don't worry ATY, he will. The current judge is already pissed as hell with his crazy shenanigans.)
15 Jul 06
Originally posted by telerionYou're being irrational; your contempt for the man is leading you to make unsupportable conclusions. I've seen Creationists make the same sort of arguments regarding the personal foibles of Darwin; these arguments are just as ridiculous when applied to Hovind.
It is a blow to the YEC's that use his material. They see him as a champion for truth in a world of lies. Your regard for any biologist or geologist comes nowhere close to the awe a lot of these folks have for Mr. Hovind.
It's a blow when you find out that your hero is a criminal. It's a blow to the YEC organizations that stood with him. It's a blo ...[text shortened]... Y, he will. The current judge is already pissed as hell with his crazy shenanigans.)
The only link I found regarding the charges against Hovind was on Wiki. 12 counts regard unpaid FICA and other employee taxes; failure to pay these is endemic among small businesses and rarely gets a criminal indictment (the total is $400,000+ which seems a lot, but isn't that unusual). There are 45 counts regarding making banking transactions just under $10,000 to avoid disclosure to Federal authorities; this is an extremely dubious charge. And there is one all purpose conspiring to screw with the IRS. In short, this isn't exactly John Gotti material.
BTW, in our system judges don't make determinations of guilt (unless defendents want them to); juries do. I'd wait a bit before declaring Hovind a "criminal" though the scope of US criminal law is so vast and all encompassing that pretty much everybody could be declared a "criminal".
15 Jul 06
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Originally posted by no1marauderI don't consider it a "blow" when some geologist or biologist who doesn't believe such nonsense ... eats his children.
Sorry, I fail to see how it's a blow to YECs in general. That Hovind may be a tax cheat or a scam artist has no bearing on others who hold YEC's beliefs. As a non-YECs, I don't consider it a "blow" when some geologist or biologist who doesn't believe such nonsense gets a speeding ticket or shoplifts a bagel or eats his children.
No, but that would be a strange story -- worthy of a section on crimelibrary.com.