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01 Feb 13
Originally posted by Suzianne"God creates dinosaurs. God destroys dinosaurs. God creates man. Man destroys God. Man creates dinosaurs... "
Man, in this case, is defined as a species. Homo sapiens sapiens.
Woman is a part of that. Why would you differentiate?
"Dinosaurs eat man. Woman inherits the earth..."
01 Feb 13
Originally posted by googlefudgeYeah, your meaning. (Good luck with that.)
Nonsense.
God cannot imbue me with any meaning. Only I can imbue myself with meaning.
If I am pointless without god then I am also pointless with god.
And you keep talking about properties of a being you admit you have no evidence for
even the existence of. You are in short just making stuff up.
Your faith is neither evidence nor justificat ...[text shortened]... long fine without god, we have meaning without god. OUR meaning.
Which is infinitely better.
Meaning, not God's meaning.
Keep going on about my faith being pointless. It is, after all, your one-trick pony show. Keep clinging to it with both hands. Sadly, it's all you have. Sadly, you're also wrong.
But that is what Free Will is all about. This is your choice? Cool. Knock yourself out. Just be ready to defend your choice at the Final Reckoning. Bring all your well-learned logic. I'm guessing it will be as chaff in the wind. But hey, it's YOUR meaning.
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Originally posted by SuzianneThere is no such thing as free will.
Yeah, your meaning. (Good luck with that.)
Meaning, not God's meaning.
Keep going on about my faith being pointless. It is, after all, your one-trick pony show. Keep clinging to it with both hands. Sadly, it's all you have. Sadly, you're also wrong.
But that is what Free Will is all about. This is your choice? Cool. Knock yourself out. Jus ...[text shortened]... -learned logic. I'm guessing it will be as chaff in the wind. But hey, it's YOUR meaning.
EDIT: And your faith (or anyone else's) is far from the only thing i talk about,
or argument I use against religion.
However given that you have frequently and proudly stated that faith is the one
and only foundation and basis for your religious beliefs, it is inevitable that that is
the subject we keep discussing.
Unlike others who claim that they have evidence for what they believe, for whom I
can make arguments that deal with their evidence claims, you don't claim to have
any evidence for your position and thus making arguments pointing out that you have
no evidence are pointless as you already admit that.
I could make the argument that the universe works fine with just the laws of physics
and needs no creator and needs no meddling.
I could make arguments that there is no evidence for and there is evidence against the
existence of a soul, life force, or afterlives.
And they would be good arguments.
However they don't dent faith because you can just say that god and souls and the afterlife
are undetectable and that god makes it all work by magic and given that you already believe
that your god exists despite infinity to 1 odds, it doesn't matter to you how unlikely the evidence
makes your beliefs... they are already infinitely implausible.
Your linchpin is faith. (or at least your claimed linchpin)
It seems pointless to discuss anything else with you if the intent is to possibly change your mind.
Particularly when you have a habit of jumping down my throat if I make mention of evidence when
talking to other theists who do (claim) that their beliefs are evidence based.
01 Feb 13
Originally posted by googlefudgeVery funny. There are those who might say women are already in charge.
"God creates dinosaurs. God destroys dinosaurs. God creates man. Man destroys God. Man creates dinosaurs... "
"Dinosaurs eat man. Woman inherits the earth..."
Care to discuss ideas about the purpose of the dinosaurs? Or, like everything else about your presence here on Planet Earth, was there no point to the dinosaurs because YOU don't give them meaning?
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Originally posted by SuzianneDinosaurs had no point... Unless some of them were smart enough to give themselves a point...
Very funny. There are those who might say women are already in charge.
Care to discuss ideas about the purpose of the dinosaurs? Or, like everything else about your presence here on Planet Earth, was there no point to the dinosaurs because YOU don't give them meaning?
But their point means nothing to me.
Things don't have/need a point other than what they can give themselves.
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01 Feb 13
Originally posted by SuzianneNo, the laws of physics.
Oh, do go on. This, I gotta hear.
Are we indeed "All preordained - a prisoner in chains - a victim of venomous fate"?
We are the product of the physical workings of our brains.
They are made of matter that is just following the laws of physics.
There is no room in that for free will... at least not of the sort you mean.
However it does feel like we have free will... And we have no choice but
to act like we have free will.
But we are in fact just a product of the laws of physics playing out like incredibly
complex clockwork.
It's the standard and accepted position of modern science that free will is an illusion.
It' doesn't exist.
02 Feb 13
Originally posted by googlefudgeThe evil-lution scientists must have come up with that evil idea.
No, the laws of physics.
We are the product of the physical workings of our brains.
They are made of matter that is just following the laws of physics.
There is no room in that for free will... at least not of the sort you mean.
However it does feel like we have free will... And we have no choice but
to act like we have free will.
But we ...[text shortened]... rd and accepted position of modern science that free will is an illusion.
It' doesn't exist.
02 Feb 13
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Originally posted by googlefudgeYes, but the mind is a thing rather beyond science at present. I would add the human soul to that list too.
No, the laws of physics.
We are the product of the physical workings of our brains.
They are made of matter that is just following the laws of physics.
There is no room in that for free will... at least not of the sort you mean.
However it does feel like we have free will... And we have no choice but
to act like we have free will.
But we rd and accepted position of modern science that free will is an illusion.
It' doesn't exist.
It's the standard and accepted position of modern science that free will is an illusion.Oh, is that a fact? So science accepts and promotes the idea of predestination??
There are choices to be made. Choices which have never been made (by you) before. Choices for which God holds no blame for wrong decisions. Of course there is Free Will.
02 Feb 13
Originally posted by googlefudgeNever seen a Triceratops then. They had three very pointy points.
Dinosaurs had no point... Unless some of them were smart enough to give themselves a point...
But their point means nothing to me.
Things don't have/need a point other than what they can give themselves.
02 Feb 13
Originally posted by googlefudgeThe universe "works fine with just the laws of physics" and "needs no meddling" simply because there was a creator to make it so, yes, even from the moment of the big bang.
I could make the argument that the universe works fine with just the laws of physics and needs no creator and needs no meddling.