06 Jan 06
Originally posted by DanielPasonoHe sent more than his son to death ...
Seriously, though, God is love. Does God have a need? He sent His only son to be tortured to death by His creation just to give us a way out of a problem we created ourselves.
Daniel
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06 Jan 06
Originally posted by DanielPasonoWhere did this need come from? Who or what then created the support over which the statement God needed makes any sense?
Seriously, though, God is love. Does God have a need? I suppose He does. And that need drove Him to create your life and mine.
Now you can choose to look at Him as a needy child or you can choose to see Him as a loving creator that loves His creation so much He sent His only son to be tortured to death by His creation just to give us a way out of a problem we created ourselves. Either way, you wouldn't exist if He didn't love you.
Daniel
Do I smell something burning in the oven??
06 Jan 06
Originally posted by stockenOne of the fundamental assumptions of the quantum relativistic God theory concerning particles and strings is that when incoming and outgoing states are infinitely separated by the disparity in curvature, they behave as free noninteracting states. This is what cause matter to appear lifeless, as if it were a piece of God-dandruff. However, M=e/c^2 shows otherwise, in that matter can be converted to energy which is a function of the God field. We and other living things are somewhere in between the state of being flat and being fully curved.
SO(10) -> SU(5)->(SU(3)xSU(2)xU(1))
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07 Jan 06
Originally posted by AThousandYoungAh, but it does.
[b]If I don't have free will, my obdience to God is nothing more than something I've been programmed to do. There would be no love involved at all.
Love, an emotion, does not depend on free will.[/b]
My computer doesn't love me, even though it does everything I tell it to. It can't choose not to do what I tell it to because it doesn't have free will.
If I can't choose not to, then my love isn't true love. I can tell my computer to tell me it loves me over and over, and it will play those sounds, but it can never actually love me because it can't choose not to.
What's the difference between making love and rape. The freedom of choice. It's the ability to choose yes or not that makes the emotion valid.
Prisoners don't love their captors, even if their captors make them say they do.
Love is a choice.
Daniel
07 Jan 06
Originally posted by angie88I think there are two problems I see with this.
A friend of mine told me this, and while I am still far from becoming a believer, I thought it was brilliant. On the other hand, I'm always more easily impressed by mathematics than by moral arguments...
Anyway, assume a person believes in God and adheres to His rules.
-If he's wrong and God doesn't exist, he loses nothing.
-If he's right and God does exi ...[text shortened]... nt to be part of that system anyway.
Does anybody agree with me on this?
Angie
One there is a good chance you might lead a better life as an athiest.
Two you have to accept there is a chance god does not exist and I'm sure christians frown upon christians who accept there is a chance god does not exist.
09 Jan 06
Originally posted by DragonFriendNo, it doesn't. Your computer does not love, but that is irrelevant. It is true that it cannot choose not to do what you tell it to do.
Ah, but it does.
My computer doesn't love me, even though it does everything I tell it to. It can't choose not to do what I tell it to because it doesn't have free will.
If I can't choose not to, then my love isn't true love. I can tell my computer to tell me it loves me over and over, and it will play those sounds, but it can never actually love me ...[text shortened]... eir captors, even if their captors make them say they do.
Love is a choice.
Daniel
If I can't choose not to, then my love isn't true love.
You're changing the subject. We're not talking about "true love", whatever that is. We're talking about love in general.
What's the difference between making love and rape.
"Making love" is a euphamism for sex. It is not actually love, though love may be present. Rape is sex that is not consentual.
It's the ability to choose yes or not that makes the emotion valid.
Valid? What is an invalid emotion?