Originally posted by DoctorScribblesName those beliefs and practices. Earlier in the thread you also claimed that the abuse was the "direct result" of the nature of the Catholic hierarchy coupled with certain dogmatic beliefs. Prove your case.
That's exactly right. My issue isn't about the sexual abuse per se. It's about the Catholic hierarchy of power and the Catholic system of beliefs and practices that foster and enable the abuse.
Originally posted by lucifershammerWatch the movie and then see if you can still be so smug about the issue.
Name those beliefs and practices. Earlier in the thread you also claimed that the abuse was the "direct result" of the nature of the Catholic hierarchy coupled with certain dogmatic beliefs. Prove your case.
In the church I went to when I was young (Anglican) there was a voluntary priest who was guilty of various 'sins' including I think theft. It was very difficult for the church to deal with and I think he was eventually transferred. I think that later on however he was removed from the priesthood. There were other similar cases later on with other priests. The problem is that the priesthood is more than just a career and you cant just fire a priest. Its like when someone in your family commits a crime you don't just fire them they are still related to you whether you like it or not.
I think the problem with child abuse may be that the other priests/bishops etc do not want it public so refrain from letting it go to court etc. But it is quite likely that when child abuse occurs in families that the same thing happens, the relatives try to cover it up. I am just guessing here as I have not knowingly personally met anyone on either side of a child abuse case.
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Originally posted by DoctorScribblesI certainly agree that this is an issue that should be maturely discussed between Catholics.
If you would watch the film, you would come to learn how ignorant your question is, as it demonstrates how the rampant sexual abuse at the hands of clergy is a direct result of the nature of the Catholic power hierarchy itself coupled with some dogmatic beliefs of both those in power and their followers.
However, what "dogmatic beliefs" are you claiming contribute to the rampant sexual abuse scandal?
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesThis the best diversionary tactic you could come up with?
Prove it
It's absurd to ask for intersubjective verification for a particular internal experience which, by its nature, is not verifiable in that manner.
Now, back to your original claim(s): can you prove them or can't you?