a reprobate mind

Originally posted by dj2becker
I would imagine something similar to the concept of karma, in biblical terms they could be considered 'blessings and curses'.

So what are the different punishments then... examples?

Originally posted by FMF
In almost all cases, their moral compass stops them. Why do Christians commit crimes ?

People who believe in a God who sees everything and knows everything know they cannot get away with anything. On the other hand an atheist who does not believe in God can do whatever they want as long as they don't get caught.

Originally posted by dj2becker
People who believe in a God who sees everything and knows everything know they cannot get away with anything.

Why then do "people who believe in a God" commit immoral acts and crimes etc.?

Originally posted by dj2becker
On the other hand an atheist who does not believe in God can do whatever they want as long as they don't get caught.

What is it then, in your analysis, that stops people who do not believe in God from doing whatever they want?

Originally posted by FMF
Why then do "people who believe in a God" commit immoral acts and crimes etc.?

I would imagine they try to block out God's presence and try to rationalize their actions maybe during a moment of weakness or doubt.

Originally posted by dj2becker
I would imagine they try to block out God's presence and try to rationalize their actions maybe during a moment of weakness or doubt.

And yet they are still "people who believe in a God".

Originally posted by FMF
What is it then, in your analysis, that stops people who do not believe in God from doing whatever they want?

Probably a combination of their conscience and the fear of getting caught. But rationally as an atheist why should you obey your conscience if it is merely a product of your environment combined with the fact that there are no moral absolutes?

Originally posted by dj2becker
Probably a combination of their conscience and the fear of getting caught.

But don't "people who believe in a God" also have "a combination of their conscience and the fear of getting caught"?

Originally posted by FMF
And yet they are still "people who believe in a God".

Sure, when it suits them. Even the devil believes in God.

Originally posted by dj2becker
But rationally as an atheist why should you obey your conscience if it is merely a product of your environment combined with the fact that there are no moral absolutes?

We discussed this before. My stance hasn't changed. Refer back to it if your interest is genuine.

Originally posted by FMF
But don't "people who believe in a God" also have "a combination of their conscience and the fear of getting caught"?

Sure, but logically it would make sense for them to obey their conscience since it was placed there by God for the purpose of their own protection and not merely shaped by their environment for no specific reason. What logical reason does an atheist have for obeying their conscience if it is merely the product of evolution and was not designed for a specific purpose?

Originally posted by dj2becker
Sure, when it suits them. Even the devil believes in God.

So the "people who believe in a God" thing doesn't really have any bearing on what we are talking about, is that fair to say?

Originally posted by dj2becker
What logical reason does an atheist have for obeying their conscience if it is merely the product of evolution and was not designed for a specific purpose?

You asked me about this topic before. And I answered.

Originally posted by FMF
So the "people who believe in a God" thing doesn't really have any bearing on what we are talking about, is that fair to say?

Anyone can claim to believe in God, their actions will mostly demonstrate whether they actually do.

Originally posted by FMF
You asked me about this topic before. And I answered.

Conveniently you will say so.