06 Oct 05
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Originally posted by HalitoseGreat.
Yes. It follows logically.
Here is where we have arrived. This claims follows directly from (9).
10) The theory of evolution's claims of speciation entail the necessity of intelligent design.
So, what's the big deal? The point is, you hold (1) to be axiomatic, your standard of truth. From (1) we have derived (2) through (6). In steps the theory of evolution at (8), about which you must logically conclude that it supports rather than contradicts your belief in intelligent design, expressed by (10). That is, if the claims of evolution are correct, then under your axioms, their correctness implies the existence of an underlying intelligent design. And if they are incorrect, then evolution is simply wrong.
You win both ways; your belief in intelligent design is never in jeopardy, regardless of how correct the theory of evolution is. With regard to protecting your belief in intelligent design, you have absolutely nothing to fear from evolutionary theory; its correctness will only serve to support your faith in intelligent design.
06 Oct 05
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesTrue. Very good.
Great.
Here is where we have arrived:
10) The theory of evolution's claims of speciation entail the necessity of intelligent design.
So, what the big deal? The point is, you hold (1) to be axiomatic, your standard of truth. From (1) we have derived (2) through (7). In steps the theory of evolution at (8), about which you logically conclu ...[text shortened]... volutionary theory; its correctness will only serve to support your faith in intelligent design.
I have no problem with the TOE's scientifically observable (and sound) speciation.
My antagonism arises when evolution is extrapolated into the past (without conclusive evidence) to derive conclusions which contradict some of my theological axioms.
A very thought provoking exercise nonetheless doctor.
06 Oct 05
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Originally posted by HalitoseThen you missed the point of the exercise. Regardless of whether the evolutionists' claims about speciation refer to the past or future, and regardless of the amount or lack of evidence behind them, they can only defend and not contradict your belief in intelligent design, given your axioms. The more correct they are, the more support you have to believe in intelligent design.
My antagonism arises when evolution is extrapolated into the past (without conclusive evidence) to derive conclusions which contradict some of my theological axioms.
07 Oct 05
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesThe problem I see here, as I have stated before, is why do you limit
Very good.
Do you agree with this:
6) If a sort of animal's lineage exhibits changes via a process that makes use of (2) through (4) and results in a new species, such changes depend on an intelligent design, and that new species is a product of intelligent design.
your perception of the true omnipotence of a real god?
A real god could make the universe so fine tuned it doesn't NEED
to constantly tinker with DNA or whatever to make a new species
happen. Why can't you just be content with a god like that?
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09 Oct 05
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesIf I may add my 2 cents, genetic mutations would not have occurred if not for the fall of man.
Interesting. So, you are saying that genetic mutations would not occur if Adam and Eve had never sinned?
Do you suppose God redesigned their DNA after the fall, so that it was of a different nature, namely, of a nature that allowed mutations? Or do you suppose the nature of our DNA is just like theirs, but that we observe mutations because God allows them to happen while without sin he would have prevented them from happening?
On the 2nd part to your question you assume that God "redesigned". No I don't agree with this. I would propose that another god(satan) corrupted God's original DNA after the fall. That is, indirectly. The bible calls this a "sin nature", which is not in God's original design. Which is what separates man from God, and thus the need for a redeemer.