Agnostic atheism

Originally posted by @dj2becker
FMF: It accords with facts about manmade religions as I see them.

Which facts?

The things I have been claiming about manmade religions on this thread these past 16 pages and which I have been saying constantly in conversations I've had with you since you appeared as Fetchmyjunk a couple of years ago. Just take all that stuff as being what I see as being the facts about various manmade religions.

Originally posted by @romans1009
Don’t get me wrong - God does fulfill needs, but the initial belief, I think for many people, and certainly the experts in evaluating evidence I cited earlier, the fulfillment of needs comes after the belief and is not the cause of the belief.

...the experts in evaluating evidence I cited earlier...

Do you think there are any experts in evaluating evidence who have come to the conclusion that the things that Christians claim about Jesus are unfounded or untrue?

Originally posted by @fmf
The things I have been claiming about manmade religions on this thread these past 16 pages and which I have been saying constantly in conversations I've had with you since you appeared as Fetchmyjunk a couple of years ago. Just take all that stuff as being what I see as being the facts about various manmade religions.

Name any fact that you have claimed about man made religions. You must be confusing your opinions with facts.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Name any fact that you have claimed about man made religions. You must be confusing your opinions with facts.

Islam reveres Jesus as the figure who will return at 'the end', so to speak, in a 'Second Coming'. Christians believe in a 'Second Coming' too. Hindus believe in reincarnation. Many Christians and Muslims believe non-believers face eternal torture in flames. Sikhs believe in a genderless god and what they see as the 'worldly illusion'. The Jews think Jesus was a mortal and an imposter. All the Abrahamic religions, for starters, believe in "sin". Loads of stuff. It's been a perennial topic of discussion here since I started posting 12 years ago.

Originally posted by @fmf
[b]...the experts in evaluating evidence I cited earlier...

Do you think there are any experts in evaluating evidence who have come to the conclusion that the things that Christians claim about Jesus are unfounded or untrue?[/b]

I you know of any experts that have reached this conclusion feel free to share their findings.

Originally posted by @fmf
Islam reveres Jesus as the figure who will return at 'the end', so to speak, in a 'Second Coming'. Christians believe in a 'Second Coming' too. Hindus believe in reincarnation. Many Christians and Muslims believe non-believers face eternal torture in flames. Sikhs believe in a genderless god and what they see as the 'worldly illusion'. The Jews think Jesus was ...[text shortened]... s of stuff. It's been a perennial topic of discussion here since I started posting 12 years ago.

Which of these 'facts' that you talk about support your agnostic atheist beliefs and undermine Christianity?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
I you know of any experts that have reached this conclusion feel free to share their findings.

You can Google it if you want. I am not going to copy paste the profiles of three atheist historians and commentators in order to match Romans1009 Googling efforts. Not interested.

Originally posted by @fmf
You can Google it if you want. I am not going to copy paste the profiles of three atheist historians and commentators in order to match Romans1009 Googling efforts. Not interested.

Well that is perfectly understandable. I would also not copy and paste anything that I had no confidence in.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Which of these 'facts' that you talk about support your agnostic atheist beliefs and undermine Christianity?

What are you asking? You know I am a non-Muslim. You know I am a non-Hindu. You know I am a non-Jew. And you know I am a non-Christian. I don't find any of the claims about supernatural things that any of the adherents of these religions convincing and therefore do not perceive their claims about there having been a divine revelation [to them, including you] to be persuasive.

Originally posted by @fmf
What are you asking? You know I am a non-Muslim. You know I am a non-Hindu. You know I am a non-Jew. And you know I am a non-Christian. I don't find any of the claims about supernatural things that any of the adherents of these religions convincing and therefore do not perceive their claims about there having been a divine revelation [to them, including you] to be persuasive.

How do you find something to be convincing for decades and then reach the conclusion that it is no longer convincing without having any hard facts to share that made you reach this conclusion? It boggles the mind.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Well that is perfectly understandable. I would also not copy and paste anything that I had no confidence in.

"No confidence" in what? In whom? Did you read the post you were replying to? There is no need to project any emotion of your invention on to me.

If you are unaware of the debate about history, evidence, and the claims of various religions going on out there on the internet, or if you are not curious about it, but are instead content with the 'evidence' that already convinces you that you know the 'truth', then so be it. I am not Googling stuff for you.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
How do you find something to be convincing for decades and then reach the conclusion that it is no longer convincing without having any hard facts to share that made you reach this conclusion? It boggles the mind.

I told you about it before in conversations we had in 2016 and 2017.

Originally posted by @fmf
"No confidence" in what? In whom? Did you read the post you were replying to? There is no need to project any emotion of your invention on to me.

If you are unaware of the debate about history, evidence, and the claims of various religions going on out there on the internet, or if you are not curious about it, but are instead content with the 'evidence' tha ...[text shortened]... already convinces you that you know the 'truth', then so be it. I am not Googling stuff for you.

Do you have any information that that discredits the logical reasons to believe in the resurrection? Yes no No?

Originally posted by @fmf
I told you about it before in conversations we had in 2016 and 2017.

Yes you talked to people and read stuff but you cannot discuss any specifics. Nothing new there.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Do you have any information that that discredits the logical reasons to believe in the resurrection? Yes no No?

You and I have already discussed before my views on the reasons that Christians cite for believing that Jesus and many other people supposedly rose from the dead when he was executed. My side of that conversation does not need to be repeated. Start a thread about it and see who joins in.