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An unjust God

An unjust God

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@thinkofone said
Like usual you haven't thought any of this through.

What of "thieves not to repay what they have stolen"?

How do the following beliefs describe a "just God"?
[quote]Many Christians believe that all of their sins, past, present and future, has been "repaid" by God via Jesus. As such they themselves do not have to "repay" anything. And unless they cease to sin, they ...[text shortened]... and let God sort things out in the next life.[/b]

So much for "Judge not, that ye be not judged",
You can judge, just be warned that with the same judgement used, will be used on ourselves as well.

Matthew 7:1-3 English Standard Version (ESV)
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?

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@kellyjay said
You can judge, just be warned that with the same judgement used, will be used on ourselves as well.

Matthew 7:1-3 English Standard Version (ESV)
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?
Put it in context of other things Jesus had to say. For example:

"He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." (John 8)
"Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven" (Luke 6)
"You have heard that it was said, ‘AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.’ But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also." (Matthew 5)

And all the passages about mercy.

Yet those like you and whodey are all for levying the ultimate human judgement: Deciding who is not worthy of life and the chance to repent. To say nothing about the innocent who have been wrongly convicted.

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@fmf said
Romans 13:1, 3–4

I asked you "How can you be sure...?" and you dodged it.
Romans 10:9

Whoever makes Jesus their Lord.

Do you think Hitler made Jesus his Lord?

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@whodey said
Do you think Hitler made Jesus his Lord?
How would I know? His worst crime was the logical outcome and application of Martin Luther's virulently anti-semitic brand of Christianity. Perhaps both Hitler and Martin Luther - arguably the founding father of your 'protestant' version of Christianity - "made Jesus their Lord".

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@fmf said
How would I know? His worst crime was the logical outcome and application of Martin Luther's virulently anti-semitic brand of Christianity. Perhaps both Hitler and Martin Luther - arguably the founding father of your 'protestant' version of Christianity - "made Jesus their Lord".
And judging from the lives of Martin Luther and Hitler, which man do you think more apt to have made Jesus their Lord?

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@whodey said
And judging from the lives of Martin Luther and Hitler, which man do you think more apt to have made Jesus their Lord?
Maybe they both did. Who knows? If your God figure is real, maybe He used both men to promote antisemitism as a form of divine vengeance against the Jews. Your guess is as good as mine. There have surely been countless loathsome people who "made Jesus their Lord".

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@thinkofone said
Put it in context of other things Jesus had to say. For example:

"He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." (John 8)
"Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven" (Luke 6)
"You have heard that it was said, ‘AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.’ B ...[text shortened]... f life and the chance to repent. To say nothing about the innocent who have been wrongly convicted.
Please put each quote in context and we can deal with them.

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@kellyjay said
Please put each quote in context and we can deal with them.
If you need to put them in context, you know where to find them.

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@thinkofone said
If you need to put them in context, you know where to find them.
Your quotes, I know what they say, where they are at, and the meaning behind them.
Not sure about you.

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@kellyjay said
Your quotes, I know what they say, where they are at, and the meaning behind them.
Not sure about you.
You've gotta be kidding KJ.

If you know all that, then you shouldn't need me to provide the context.

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@ThinkOfOne

Here is what Jesus said while He walked the earth

"Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven" (Luke 6)
"You have heard that it was said, ‘AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.’ But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also." (Matthew 5)


Here is what the Apostle Paul taught while he walked the earth.

"But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God ..." (Romans 14:10)


Did Paul faithfully teach the same thing Jesus taught here?

Paul also wrote:

"Do not be conquered by evil, but conquer evil with good." (Rom. 12:21)

"See that no one repays anyone evil for evil, but always pursue what is good both for one another and for all." (1 Thess. 5:15)


Did Paul faithfully teach in the same spirit as Jesus while He walked on earth ThinkOfOne?

Sounds the same to me.

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