Josephw and Rajk999 explain this and use the surrounding verses.
2 Thessalonians 2:11-14
11 So God will cause them to be greatly deceived, and they will believe these lies. 12 Then they will be condemned for enjoying evil rather than believing the truth. 13 As for us, we can’t help but thank God for you, dear brothers and sisters loved by the Lord. We are always thankful that God chose you to be among the firstd to experience salvation—a salvation that came through the Spirit who makes you holy and through your belief in the truth. 14 He called you to salvation when we told you the Good News; now you can share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Originally posted by RBHILLWhat do you need explained? Could it not the also said that is you who is believing a lie?
Josephw and Rajk999 explain this and use the surrounding verses.
2 Thessalonians 2:11-14
11 So God will cause them to be greatly deceived, and they will believe these lies. 12 Then they will be condemned for enjoying evil rather than believing the truth. 13 As for us, we can’t help but thank God for you, dear brothers and sisters loved by the Lord. We a ...[text shortened]... lvation when we told you the Good News; now you can share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
There are a few things which you seem to be missing. First the last days started in the time of Paul and not only now. Next there have always been false doctrines from since the time of Adam.
19 Jan 17
Originally posted by Rajk999I know we have been living in the last days for about 2,000 years.
What do you need explained? Could it not the also said that is you who is believing a lie?
There are a few things which you seem to be missing. First the last days started in the time of Paul and not only now. Next there have always been false doctrines from since the time of Adam.
19 Jan 17
Originally posted by Rajk999I already know you're a Calvinist Rajk. Your doctrine takes free will out of the equation. It is God's will that all men be saved. It is a clear contradiction of the scriptures to say God chose some to be saved and other to be lost when God clearly says He wants all men to be saved.
The Word of God does in fact preach that some are lost. Many are called and few are chosen. Judas Iscariot was both CHOSEN and was CALLED but he was LOST.
In addition there are many parts of the Apostles teachings that speak clearly of Christians SAINTS who do not or have not followed the teachings of Christ who will not inherit the kingdom of God. These were both chosen and eventually lost.
Any further argument from you to the contrary only solidifies your obvious confusion. God either wants all men to be saved thereby establishing the doctrine of free will, or God chose some to be lost rendering free will obsolete.
19 Jan 17
Originally posted by RBHILLWhy bother asking Rajk? He already believes you're deceived. Listen to him and he'll put you under the law and not under grace.
Josephw and Rajk999 explain this and use the surrounding verses.
2 Thessalonians 2:11-14
11 So God will cause them to be greatly deceived, and they will believe these lies. 12 Then they will be condemned for enjoying evil rather than believing the truth. 13 As for us, we can’t help but thank God for you, dear brothers and sisters loved by the Lord. We a ...[text shortened]... lvation when we told you the Good News; now you can share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Concerning the passage you reference; the apostle Paul is speaking to saved people about those that refuse to acknowledge Christ as their saviour. Does that help?
19 Jan 17
Originally posted by josephwTo be honest I know nothing of these terms Calvinist or Arminianism etc. I however do know what Jesus and the Apostles preached and you people are sadly lost.
I already know you're a Calvinist Rajk. Your doctrine takes free will out of the equation. It is God's will that all men be saved. It is a clear contradiction of the scriptures to say God chose some to be saved and other to be lost when God clearly says He wants all men to be saved.
Any further argument from you to the contrary only solidifies your obviou ...[text shortened]... tablishing the doctrine of free will, or God chose some to be lost rendering free will obsolete.
20 Jan 17
Originally posted by Rajk999Then why don't you start your own thread about whatever it is that you're talking about.
To be honest I know nothing of these terms Calvinist or Arminianism etc. I however do know what Jesus and the Apostles preached and you people are sadly lost.
The discussion in this thread is Arminianism versus Calvinism.
If you can't add to the discussion, or even know what it is, then why come in here and blather about? You're only confusing what this thread is about with some other stuff that this thread is not about.
20 Jan 17
Originally posted by Suzianne to Rajk999If a discussion about "Arminianism versus Calvinism" isn't, on some level, about "what Jesus and the Apostles preached" then surely it's not Rajk999 who's engaging in "blather"?
The discussion in this thread is Arminianism versus Calvinism.
If you can't add to the discussion, or even know what it is, then why come in here and blather about? You're only confusing what this thread is about with some other stuff that this thread is not about.
20 Jan 17
Originally posted by FMFI wonder how many Christians realise that the arguments in the opening post contain very little of the teachings of Christ that pertain to eternal life and how one can attain it.
If a discussion about "Arminianism versus Calvinism" isn't, on some level, about "what Jesus and the Apostles preached" then surely it's not Rajk999 who's engaging in "blather"?
20 Jan 17
Originally posted by Rajk999There you go again. So as precisely as you can please tell how one "attains" eternal life.
I wonder how many Christians realise that the arguments in the opening post contain very little of the teachings of Christ that pertain to eternal life and how one can attain it.
21 Jan 17
Originally posted by josephwThe question was answered by Jesus himself. Someone asked him that question [.. Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? , and his answer was crystal clear. If you missed it then thats your failure.
There you go again. So as precisely as you can please tell how one "attains" eternal life.
22 Jan 17
Originally posted by Rajk999Jesus said, "If ye love me, keep my commandments"
The question was answered by Jesus himself. Someone asked him that question [.. Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? , and his answer was crystal clear. If you missed it then thats your failure.
Is that how one "attains" or "inherits" eternal life?