Originally posted by galveston75I see, so as there is still some blood left in red meat especially in steak then clearly this is more of a "religious" matter for for you rather a "touch ye not the blood at all under any circumstances" matter, or you would not be able to eat red meat? A bit like kosher or halal food.
Pretty much anything as long as there is no blood left in it. We know not every atom of blood can be taken out of meat, God does know that. But every normal effort has to be made to let all the blood out that is possible.
Originally posted by VelnsThese rules for what was unclean and not to be eaten may have been a way of protecting these people from disease carring germs. Perhaps there was a high likelihood that the blood could be contaminated with a virus back in those days like it can be today. They did not seem to understand it. But they were told there was life in the blood. Perhaps that life was also referring to disease carring organisms that might infect the blood.
I see, so as there is still some blood left in red meat especially in steak then clearly this is more of a "religious" matter for for you rather a "touch ye not the blood at all under any circumstances" matter, or you would not be able to eat red meat? A bit like kosher or halal food.
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Originally posted by RJHindsLol. Yeah satan is our god and king!!!! Such a silly remark from you.
It is clear to me that it does not say abstain for blood transfusions or giving of blood to save lives. The watchtower Society is influenced by Satan to lead you away from the truth of Christ in every way they think possible. They probably tell you the Earth is billions of years old too.
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Originally posted by VelnsSo it is not only a health issue but even more important then that is what blood means to God. One has to acknowledge the huge amount of times blood is spoken about in the Bible and how important it is to God even to the point of asking for a "life for a life" if one spills anothers blood and the result is a death.
I see, so as there is still some blood left in red meat especially in steak then clearly this is more of a "religious" matter for for you rather a "touch ye not the blood at all under any circumstances" matter, or you would not be able to eat red meat? A bit like kosher or halal food.
Also here is a little info on Jesus's blood and how this relates to all blood:
"God’s guidance about blood."
"He told Noah that humans should not consume blood. Then in the Law, God revealed that the only approved use of blood was on the altar—for forgiveness of sin. By those directives, God was laying the groundwork for the supreme use of blood—the saving of lives by means of Jesus’ ransom. (Hebrews 9:14) Yes, God’s guidance was with our life and well-being in mind. Discussing Genesis 9:4, 19th-century Bible scholar Adam Clarke wrote: “This command [to Noah] is still scrupulously obeyed by the oriental Christians . . . No blood was eaten under the law, because it pointed out the blood that was to be shed for the sin of the world; and under the Gospel it should not be eaten, because it should ever be considered as representing the blood which has been shed for the remission of sins.”
This is a brief statement on blood and the sacredness of it. God wanted us to understand his view of blood and even had the statement made that "ones life is in their blood". To God blood is different then any other system or product in anything alive even in the animal world.
We could possibly eat any part of an animal except the blood as God addressed. And that reason is blood is sacred to God and is not to be consumed in any fashion at all ever.
He did not at all ever even hint that blood could be used for anything other then in a sacrificial event.
And if one were to administer by the use of a transfusion ones blood into another human, then one would be injecting ones life into anothers body.
Did God ever give humans the right to do that? Do we have the right and authority from God to do that?
Yes we as humans should use all at our disposal to save another human from possible death if another has met with an accident. No problem with that at all.
But again has God given man the right to use blood that he holds sacred and told us very clearly to not inject into our bodies?
Serious stuff......
Originally posted by galveston75So do you follow the whole law of Moses? Both Christ and Paul explained that Christ is the new covenant and the law of moses has been superseded.
So it is not only a health issue but even more important then that is what blood means to God. One has to acknowledge the huge amount of times blood is spoken about in the Bible and how important it is to God even to the point of asking for a "life for a life" if one spills anothers blood and the result is a death.
Also here is a little info on Jesus ...[text shortened]... lds sacred and told us very clearly to not inject into our bodies?
Serious stuff......
Originally posted by Rajk999Yes most had been superseded by Jesus. But even the law on blood had been kept by the Jews and mentioned by the apostles as I posted earlier.
So do you follow the whole law of Moses? Both Christ and Paul explained that Christ is the new covenant and the law of moses has been superseded.
Many commands from God are obviously still followed, even the original 10 commandments by many and by many legal institutions of the world.
This law was also commanded by God before the 10 commandments or the Mosaic laws were ever set up by God. In fact it was basically the first law and command God gave to man after the flood and it has never been cancelled anywhere in the Bible.
Originally posted by galveston75The Bible does not cancel any specific law of Moses. It says that the law of Moses is done away with and finished. This is explained in detail in Hebrews chap 8 and 9.
Yes most had been superseded by Jesus. But even the law on blood had been kept by the Jews and mentioned by the apostles as I posted earlier.
Many commands from God are obviously still followed, even the original 10 commandments by many and by many legal institutions of the world.
This law was also commanded by God before the 10 commandments or the ...[text shortened]... d command God gave to man after the flood and it has never been cancelled anywhere in the Bible.
The Apostles also made no issue of matters pertaining to eating and drinking anything. The issue in Acts 15 was idolatry and hence the advice to "..abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled,.
Where does what Paul say fit into your doctrine:
Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake: For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof. If any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake. But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof: Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another man's conscience? For if I by grace be a partaker, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks? Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. (1Co 10:25-31)
What does Christ mean by..
And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand: Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying? But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up. Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable. And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding? Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught? But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. (Mat 15:10-18)
Originally posted by Rajk999Sure many principles of those laws still affect us and we live by them. But most are not an actual command and punishable as they once were.
The Bible does not cancel any specific law of Moses. It says that the law of Moses is done away with and finished. This is explained in detail in Hebrews chap 8 and 9.
The Apostles also made no issue of matters pertaining to eating and drinking anything. The issue in Acts 15 was idolatry and hence the advice to "..abstain from meats offered to idols, ...[text shortened]... ceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. (Mat 15:10-18)
But a command from God that has not been altered or cancelled is still one we have to follow and that deals with blood.
All foods and drinks are to be consumed in moderation. But in Acts it cleary says to not do 3 very specific things which is a confirmation from God's commands to Noah. They are still binding today...
Originally posted by galveston75I get it .. What Christ said is not part of your doctrine.
Sure many principles of those laws still affect us and we live by them. But most are not an actual command and punishable as they once were.
But a command from God that has not been altered or cancelled is still one we have to follow and that deals with blood.
All foods and drinks are to be consumed in moderation. But in Acts it cleary says to not do ...[text shortened]... fic things which is a confirmation from God's commands to Noah. They are still binding today...
Originally posted by galveston75It is already explained above. Do you read it?
So explain what you are trying to say. It sounds like your trying to say that Jesus cancelled out the law on blood?
If you are please show where he said that or even slightly hinted towards that.
It seems you are expecting Christ to say : 'I hereby cancel the law on blood'?
Did you also read Hebrews 8 and 9 which explained that the law of Moses is now finished?
Christ says clearly that NOTHING you put into your mouth or eat can defile [contaminate] you?
Originally posted by Rajk999Hummmm, that's ok for you but not for me.
It is already explained above. Do you read it?
It seems you are expecting Christ to say : 'I hereby cancel the law on blood'?
Did you also read Hebrews 8 and 9 which explained that the law of Moses is now finished?
Christ says clearly that NOTHING you put into your mouth or eat can defile [contaminate] you?
"To appreciate further the importance of moral and spiritual cleanness, consider what Jesus said when the Pharisees and scribes asserted that his disciples were unclean because they did not wash their hands before taking a meal. Jesus set matters straight by stating: “Not what enters into his mouth defiles a man; but it is what proceeds out of his mouth that defiles a man.” Jesus then explained: “The things proceeding out of the mouth come out of the heart, and those things defile a man. For example, out of the heart come wicked reasonings, murders, adulteries, fornications, thieveries, false testimonies, blasphemies. These are the things defiling a man; but to take a meal with unwashed hands does not defile a man.”—Matthew 15:11, 18-20.
What can we learn from Jesus’ words? Jesus was pointing out that wicked, immoral, and unclean acts are preceded by wicked, immoral, and unclean leanings in the heart. As the disciple James put it, “each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his own desire.” (James 1:14, 15) Thus, if we do not want to fall into the grievous sins that Jesus described, we must root out and keep out of our heart any tendencies toward such things. That means we must be careful about what we read, watch, and listen to. Today, in the name of free speech and artistic license, the entertainment and advertising industries are turning out an endless barrage of sounds and images that cater to the cravings of the fallen flesh. We should be determined not to allow any such ideas to take root in our heart. The p. 23key point is that to be pleasing and acceptable to God, we must constantly be on guard so as to maintain a clean and undefiled heart.—Proverbs 4:23.
Jesus was clearly speaking of morality and cleaness of mind and heart, not food or the eating of blood.........
God's command to abstain from blood still in affect:
Under the Christian arrangement.
The governing body of the first-century Christian congregation, under the direction of the holy spirit, ruled on the matter of blood. Their decree states: “For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you, except these necessary things, to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication. If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you!” (Ac 15:22, 28, 29) The prohibition included flesh with the blood in it (“things strangled&rdquo😉.
This decree rests, ultimately, on God’s command not to eat blood, as given to Noah and his sons and, therefore, to all mankind. In this regard, the following is found in The Chronology of Antient Kingdoms Amended, by Sir Isaac Newton (Dublin, 1728, p. 184): “This law [of abstaining from blood] was ancienter than the days of Moses, being given to Noah and his sons, long before the days of Abraham: and therefore when the Apostles and Elders in the Council at Jerusalem declared that the Gentiles were not obliged to be circumcised and keep the law of Moses, they excepted this law of abstaining from blood, and things strangled, as being an earlier law of God, imposed not on the sons of Abraham only, but on all nations, while they lived together in Shinar under the dominion of Noah: and of the same kind is the law of abstaining from meats offered to Idols or false Gods, and from fornication.”
Observed since apostolic times.
The Jerusalem council sent its decision to the Christian congregations to be observed. (Ac 16:4) About seven years after the Jerusalem council issued the decree, Christians continued to comply with the “decision that they should keep themselves from what is sacrificed to idols as well as from blood and what is strangled and from fornication.” (Ac 21:25) And more than a hundred years later, in 177 C.E., in Lyons (now in France), when religious enemies falsely accused Christians of eating children, a woman named Biblis said: “How would such men eat children, when they are not allowed to eat the blood even of irrational animals?”—The Ecclesiastical History, by Eusebius, V, I, 26.
Early Christians abstained from eating any sort of blood. In this regard Tertullian (c. 155-a. 220 C.E.) pointed out in his work Apology (IX, 13, 14): “Let your error blush before the Christians, for we do not include even animals’ blood in our natural diet. We abstain on that account from things strangled or that die of themselves, that we may not in any way be polluted by blood, even if it is buried in the meat. Finally, when you are testing Christians, you offer them sausages full of blood; you are thoroughly well aware, of course, that among them it is forbidden; but you want to make them transgress.” Minucius Felix, a Roman lawyer who lived until about 250 C.E., made the same point, writing: “For us it is not permissible either to see or to hear of human slaughter; we have such a shrinking from human blood that at our meals we avoid the blood of animals used for food.”—Octavius, XXX, 6.