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@moonbus saidYou tried them, because, you were looking for a way that would work? Unless you were brain dead and totally ignorant and were acting without any reason or hope.
I've tried all kinds of things without believing anything about them in advance.
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@moonbus saidGod is going to judge us in righteousness!, you are suggesting a checklist?
The bottom line for KJ and many other Chrtistians I might add, is: they believe that belief matters, that God is going to judge what is in their minds.
It is a bizarre dogma, that only people who have a certain set of beliefs are going to heaven and that everyone else is going to hell in a handbasket.
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@kellyjay said: "You have to believe that what you are doing will show you what you are looking for, if that wasn’t true would you do it?"
Me: He's right.
@moonbus said:
"I've tried all kinds of things without believing anything about them in advance."
Me: He's right.
Someone: "He's right and he's right. They can't both be right."
Me: "You know you are also right."