Spirituality
03 Jun 06
04 Jun 06
Originally posted by orfeo"In god we trust" didn't start appearing on U.S. coinage until the Civil War. It didn't appear on the currency until the Eisenhower administration. Neither of them should be there as they're clearly unconstitutional endorsements of god, exactly the type of thing the founding fathers had tried to avoid.
Okay, so "In God We Trust" and "one nation under God" are somewhere else then. My comment was about the disparity in general.
"One nation under god" was not included in the original version of the pledge, which, interestingly enough, was written by a baptist minister. It was inserted, once again, during the Eisenhower administration in response to McCarthy's anti-communist hysteria.
04 Jun 06
Originally posted by geniusWho said anything about a full and wholesome life? Nobody mentioned what kind of offender the person was either. I told you that the question was unrealistic. What if the lie was that we were going to torture his wife and kids unless he stopped his crimes? You want to lie to people about that?
so you would rather lock some kid up in solatory than let him live a full and wholesome life? what if he was, at this stage, just a petty thief? a pick pocket or a shop lifter? not a danger to the general public, but a criminal none the less?
05 Jun 06
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Originally posted by rwingettIn that case, I'm quite surprised they haven't been challenged in court. Or have they?
"In god we trust" didn't start appearing on U.S. coinage until the Civil War. It didn't appear on the currency until the Eisenhower administration. Neither of them should be there as they're clearly unconstitutional endorsements of god, exactly the type of thing the founding fathers had tried to avoid.
"One nation under god" was not included in the origi ...[text shortened]... during the Eisenhower administration in response to McCarthy's anti-communist hysteria.
05 Jun 06
Originally posted by geniusWould you therefore not object to all other religions recieving similar tax payer funding in prisons? And its my belief that if they were converted to Islaam they would be less likely to reoffend than if converted to Christianity so maybe that would be a better way to spend the money.
also, who would find this matter important enough to bring it to court? in one prison, what are they paying for? maybe a few leaflets? a few bibles? with an initial cost of £50 and maybe £50 a year thereafter? that's not a lot. and they could cut down on that if they tried. gideons bibles? writing their own notes? that's not a major dig into prison funds! and ...[text shortened]... haps start to wonder about the error of their ways. that's £50 p/a well spent, if you ask me!
And if its a question of funding education then surely you should teach the prisoners the truth (That there is no God).
05 Jun 06
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungfull and wholesome compared to being in prison for the rest of your life. and it was a hypothetical situation, so i meerly added other constraints to this criminal which i could as he, well, doesn't exist.
Who said anything about a full and wholesome life? Nobody mentioned what kind of offender the person was either. I told you that the question was unrealistic. What if the lie was that we were going to torture his wife and kids unless he stopped his crimes? You want to lie to people about that?
and crisitianity is not a nasty lie to tell, unlike threatening his wife and kids.
Originally posted by twhitehead
Would you therefore not object to all other religions recieving similar tax payer funding in prisons? And its my belief that if they were converted to Islaam they would be less likely to reoffend than if converted to Christianity so maybe that would be a better way to spend the money.
And if its a question of funding education then surely you should teach the prisoners the truth (That there is no God).
no, i would have no problem with this. although what makes you say that islam is more peaceful than christainity? considering Jesus's main message was Love...(i'm assuming we're talking biblical christianity, where everyone shall know you follow Jesus by the fact that you love others, and the Islam which doesn't condone mass murder.)
and you cannot prove there is no God, but that is not what we are discussing here.