Brought up to believe?

Originally posted by knightmeister


Getr someone early enough and you can convince them of anything (or turn them off anything)

With regard to John 3:16, does belief in Christ induced through such early brainwashing count?

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
With regard to John 3:16, does belief in Christ induced through such early brainwashing count?

In a way yes it does. Someone who only believes because they have been brainwashed , doesn't properly believe in my book (even john 3:16). Belief has to be thought through and questioned.

I expected such a question to be asked as it is an obvious point to make. You are usually less predictable than this.

Originally posted by knightmeister
In a way yes it does. Someone who only believes because they have been brainwashed , doesn't properly believe in my book (even john 3:16). Belief has to be thought through and questioned.

I expected such a question to be asked as it is an obvious point to make. You are usually less predictable than this.

Will Muslims who are brainwashed early enough into believing in Allah instead of Jesus be accepted into heaven?

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
Will Muslims who are brainwashed early enough into believing in Allah instead of Jesus be accepted into heaven?

Yes. The word is "educated."

Originally posted by scherzo
Yes. The word is "educated."

See! You are a Muslim after all. Children who are "educated" about Allah will go to Heaven...that's no atheist argument.

Just like you know how all whites and all blacks and all other minorities always think...I know you must be Muslim and that you like to main women and children so you can get virgins in Heaven. I mean...you're an Arab, and you're all into race and how stereotypes are correct.

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
Will Muslims who are brainwashed early enough into believing in Allah instead of Jesus be accepted into heaven?

Quite possibly. Why not?

Originally posted by knightmeister
Quite possibly. Why not?

Isn't it striking to you that with all of the exceptions that get people a free pass into heaven, only a very small portion of people in heaven (maybe 1% to 5% as a rough estimate) will be be there due to actual voluntary belief in Jesus?

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
Isn't it striking to you that with all of the exceptions that get people a free pass into heaven, only a very small portion of people in heaven (maybe 1% to 5% as a rough estimate) will be be there due to actual voluntary belief in Jesus?

It makes sense if you believe Jesus' saving us really was a gift and that he doesn't demand our worship.

Well...sort of. I mean it makes sense assuming one does indeed worship Jesus.

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
Isn't it striking to you that with all of the exceptions that get people a free pass into heaven, only a very small portion of people in heaven (maybe 1% to 5% as a rough estimate) will be be there due to actual voluntary belief in Jesus?

A lot of people will say yes to Jesus without really appreciating what they have done. Everyone has a free pass into heaven but some people throw away the ticket , and it's not neccessarily about an intellectual neah or yeah to a certain belief.

Originally posted by knightmeister
Everyone has a free pass into heaven but some people throw away the ticket

Then what's the point of evangelism? If what you say is true, then presenting somebody with the choice to accept or reject Christ can only lower their chances of being saved.

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
Then what's the point of evangelism? If what you say is true, then presenting somebody with the choice to accept or reject Christ can only lower their chances of being saved.

Missionary: Believe in Jesus, and you will be saved from the eternal damnation of burning in Hell!
Inuit: I surely don't want to burn in Hell. I'll believe in Jesus. To think I would have burned in Hell had I not met you and heard of Jesus.
Missionary: No my son, God is merciful and would not send someone to Hell if they had not heard about Jesus.
Inuit: But that means that I wasn't going to hell.
Missionary: True, but now that you've heard, you will go to Hell if you don't believe in Jesus.
Inuit: Then why did you tell me?

http://www.redriverfreethinkers.org/humor/whytellme.htm

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
Then what's the point of evangelism? If what you say is true, then presenting somebody with the choice to accept or reject Christ can only lower their chances of being saved.

Someone can accept of reject Christ without being evangelised. Whether they are evangelised or not makes no difference , ultimately it will be their own spiritual relationship with christ that cuts the mustard.

Think of it like healthy dieting. If someone spreads the word about healthy eating then that's good and it will make a massive difference to many , but that does not mean that those who do not hear the word cannot take steps to live healthily. Just because some people can eat sensibly in their own right is not a good reason to question the wisdom of spreading the word on good eating.

Originally posted by knightmeister
Someone can accept of reject Christ without being evangelised. Whether they are evangelised or not makes no difference , ultimately it will be their own spiritual relationship with christ that cuts the mustard.

Think of it like healthy dieting. If someone spreads the word about healthy eating then that's good and it will make a massive difference t ...[text shortened]... ir own right is not a good reason to question the wisdom of spreading the word on good eating.

You don't get it.

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
You don't get it.

Don't get what? You didn't say , or present an argument.

Originally posted by knightmeister
Don't get what? You didn't say , or present an argument.

You wouldn't know an argument if it hit you in the face with a Bible.