c.o.e. and woman bishops.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Its empirical evidence that others held it in high esteem Kev, but hey, dont let some of
the greatest minds and talents in the history of humanity get in the way of your
prejudices and no i would not care to guess how many of those artists were gay, where
they put their willies is none of my business but i am sure you may find the details
fas ...[text shortened]... is proof of my happiness contradicting your
ludicrous hate speech that I am, sad, just sayin.

well I expect we could exchange insults till the cows come home, but when they do it will still be you and the lay persons of the C of E who are telling over 50% of the population that they are not deemed worthy of office or respect in your Gods church

Originally posted by kevcvs57
well I expect we could exchange insults till the cows come home, but when they do it will still be you and the lay persons of the C of E who are telling over 50% of the population that they are not deemed worthy of office or respect in your Gods church

again its nothing to do with being worthy, that is simply more of your hate speech, in
fact please demonstrate where the Biblical text states that women are unworthy of
either office or respect, thank you for I can think of a few verses which contradict your
ludicrous hate speech, but then again, I've only read the Bible.

Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
How much is fifty shekels in Euro anyway????

About E5,000,000 just now.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
I find it ironic that the two major crisis which have hit the Christian church in recent years, that of homosexuality and women, stem from the (alleged) writings of Paul and not anything Jesus said.

As for the disputed verse -

Norman Perrin analyzed the Greek used by the author or authors of the Pastoral Epistles, finding that over 1/3 of t mirers than to Paul himself."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Epistle_to_Timothy

what a piece of pure nonsense, because a third of the the vocabulary is not used elsewhere, damning evidence as if Paul a man educated at the feet of Gamiliel could only write in a particular style, tell your scholar he needs his bum felt.

The two letters to Timothy have been accepted from the earliest times as written by Paul and as being part of the inspired Scriptures. The early Christian writers, including Polycarp, Ignatius, and Clement of Rome, all agree on this, and the letters are included in the catalogs of the first few centuries as Paul’s writings. One authority writes: “There are few New Testament writings which have stronger attestation . . . Objections to authenticity must therefore be regarded as modern innovations contrary to the strong evidence from the early church.”

source: Jehovahs witnesses

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
again its nothing to do with being worthy, that is simply more of your hate speech, in
fact please demonstrate where the Biblical text states that women are unworthy of
either office or respect, thank you for I can think of a few verses which contradict your
ludicrous hate speech, but then again, I've only read the Bible.

If you are trying to worm your way out of being a misogynist by citing a book written by fellow misogynist's then your attempt at a circular defense is inadmissible.

whether or not it suit's your sensibilities you will be called on your actions and assertions.

Originally posted by kevcvs57
If you are trying to worm your way out of being a misogynist by citing a book written by fellow misogynist's then your attempt at a circular defense is inadmissible.

whether or not it suit's your sensibilities you will be called on your actions and assertions.

more hate speech, tell you what, why dont you simply produce the evidence for your ludicrous claims or stop being such a namby pamby emo.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
what a piece of pure nonsense, because a third of the the vocabulary is not used elsewhere, damning evidence as if Paul a man educated at the feet of Gamiliel could only write in a particular style, tell your scholar he needs his bum felt.

The two letters to Timothy have been accepted from the earliest times as written by Paul and as being part of ...[text shortened]... nnovations contrary to the strong evidence from the early church.”

source: Jehovahs witnesses

I didn't expect you to accept it, but the fact remains the Pastoral Epistles are considered forgeries by many scholars.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
I didn't expect you to accept it, but the fact remains the Pastoral Epistles are considered forgeries by many scholars.

yeah because lets face it they are in a much better position than those christian writers
in the first century, epic failure.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
more hate speech, tell you what, why dont you simply produce the evidence for your ludicrous claims or stop being such a namby pamby emo.

It is not hate speech Robbie, I am simply pointing out that you cannot claim dispensation from the accepted norm in terms of equality of opportunity regardless of gender based on a book written nearly two thousand years ago(longer for the old testament), your silly attempt to paint everyone who disagrees with your position as haters whilst using the term 'gay' as an insult against your enemies displays ignorance with an undertone of religious fascism.

Originally posted by kevcvs57
It is not hate speech Robbie, I am simply pointing out that you cannot claim dispensation from the accepted norm in terms of equality of opportunity regardless of gender based on a book written nearly two thousand years ago(longer for the old testament), your silly attempt to paint everyone who disagrees with your position as haters whilst using the term 'g ...[text shortened]... ' as an insult against your enemies displays ignorance with an undertone of religious fascism.

I am not claiming anything, i don't have any issues, its namby pamby secular
liberals like you who wish to impose your morality or perceptions of equality where
none exist. Men have the responsibility to look after the congregation, the fact of
which many women are glad. How many christians have you asked whether they
feel its an inequality, none ill bet and yet i have asked numerous ones and not a
single one stated that they wanted that responsibility for themselves and were
happy with the arrangement. Here is a piece of advice, see your perceptions and
social conventions, they are meaningless to christians, men shoulder their
responsibility and guess what, among 7.8 million Jehovahs witness around the globe
from different nationalities, economic and educational backgrounds we are united,
you liberals can only dream of such a beautiful thing and here we are, the reality of
the application of Biblical principles which you would have us abandon, oh I dont
think so and yes your terms misogynist are hate speech, but it would take a degree
of both discernment and honesty to admit the fact.

enemies? is sonehouse also guilty of the same thing when he stated that my God
was gay? plueeeeze, feel your bum and bring yourself back to reality.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I am not claiming anything, i don't have any issues, its namby pamby secular
liberals like you who wish to impose your morality or perceptions of equality where
none exist. Men have the responsibility to look after the congregation, the fact of
which many women are glad. How many christians have you asked whether they
feel its an inequality, ...[text shortened]... he stated that my God
was gay? plueeeeze, feel your bum and bring yourself back to reality.

i guess you have no issue with the christian men who have 'surrendered wives' then?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I am not claiming anything, i don't have any issues, its namby pamby secular
liberals like you who wish to impose your morality or perceptions of equality where
none exist, men have the responsibility to look after the congregation, the fact of
which many women are glad. How many christians have you asked whether they
feel its an inequality, ...[text shortened]... re hate speech, but it would take a degree
of both discernment and honesty to admit the fact.

LIAR; There were plenty of women in tears today at the news of the Laity voting against them and their Bishops and Arch Bishops by advocating the subordination of Women in the Church, the sooner these Women and their non bigoted male counter parts bring about the inevitable schism in the church and allow the archaic dregs to rot on the vine the better.

"Gal. 3:26-29: “You are all, in fact, sons of God through your faith in Christ Jesus.
. . . There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is
neither male nor female; for you are all one person in union with Christ Jesus.
Moreover, if you belong to Christ, you are really Abraham’s seed, heirs with
reference to a promise.”

Clearly even though you posted this on another thread you are not one with Christ.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yeah because lets face it they are in a much better position than those christian writers
in the first century, epic failure.

The Pastoral Epistles are written in the style of 2nd century Christians, some scholars believe they were written by Polycarp himself.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
there is no need to explain anything away, the Bible states that the responsibility for
leadership and shepherding within the congregation is to be shouldered by men, end
of.

It also says those guilty of adultery should be stoned.

Do you agree with that too, Mr. Passive Anti-War Anti-Blood Christian?

It also says you should keep a kosher kitchen.

Do you do that too?

Originally posted by Suzianne
It also says those guilty of adultery should be stoned.

Do you agree with that too, Mr. Passive Anti-War Anti-Blood Christian?

It also says you should keep a kosher kitchen.

Do you do that too?

sigh another epic failure,

why are you trying to quote an aspect of the mosaic law to me, a christian? am I, as a
christian under the mosaic law, no? well stop havering.

and yes i buy my meat from Asians who properly bleed it. another failure

and now you will tell the forum why you will reject the Biblical arrangement and try to
establish your own, Miss spiritual buffet queen!