C.S. Lewis, The Case for Christianity

@secondson said
"Particular God figure" is FMF prattle.

I was referring to the one you believe in, in particuar. I wasn't referring to any one else's God figure from any other religion or to any different version of the one you worship that other Christians depict and worship.

@secondson said
The fact that you need to take three posts to answer one is a demonstration of an impudent and shrill personality.

Just breaking it down into component parts and addressing them. They are all interlocking, so it's ok.

@divegeester said
If having The existence of God was “obvious” why does if require a supernatural intervention for man to believe in him?

John 6:44
"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day.”

"If having The existence of God..."

What?

"Why does if"?

It does not "require" "supernatural intervention" for a man to know, as evidenced by creation, that there is a creator.

It does however require supernatural intervention for a man to be saved.

Try parsing that out and see if you can differentiate the two.

@secondson said
Especially since you feel the need to introduce irrelevancies that obviously reveal your disdain for what others hold sacred.

If you feel disdain for me, that's a matter for you. I am not expressing disdain,; I am simply explaining the ways we disagree.

@fmf said
Once again, if it were obvious, then I would see it and believe it too.

So you say.

The fact is because it is obvious, and yet you deny it, is evidence that you choose to ignore the obvious, and are instead choosing to believe in your own "particular man figure" ideology.

@secondson said
What may or may not "follow" as a result of the acknowledgment of there being a creator as evidenced in and by creation is beyond the point of my post above, and therefore irrelevant.

I have made it relevant by drawing attention to how you seek conflate your assertions about a creator being to your assertions about your specfic religion.

@fmf said
I was referring to the one you believe in, in particuar. I wasn't referring to any one else's God figure from any other religion or to any different version of the one you worship that other Christians depict and worship.

Well don't. Refer instead to the main point of my assertion in the first post I made on the previous page.

@secondson said
The fact is because it is obvious, and yet you deny it, is evidence that you choose to ignore the obvious, and are instead choosing to believe in your own "particular man figure" ideology.

It isn't "obvious". Nor is it "obvious" that Islam or Judaism are "true" because of the supposed evidence of a creator being that you and Jews and Muslims all deduce when they look at the universe.

If the ^truth" of your personal opinions about supernatural things and beings were "obvious", then I would believe them too.

@fmf said
I have made it relevant by drawing attention to how you seek conflate your assertions about a creator being to your assertions about your specfic religion.

I didn't mention any particular religion. You did.

It is you that seeks to conflate the discussion with irrelevancies.

@secondson said
Well don't. Refer instead to the main point of my assertion in the first post I made on the previous page.

I have. I'm even breaking it down into component elements for you so we can easily see which parts of what you are saying you are unable to engage disagreement about.

@fmf said
It isn't "obvious". Nor is it "obvious" that Islam or Judaism are "true" because of the supposed evidence of a creator being that you and Jews and Muslims all deduce when they look at the universe.

If the ^truth" of your personal opinions about supernatural things and beings were "obvious", then I would believe them too.

Prattle.

Go back to my first post on the previous page, read it, and stay on topic.

@secondson said
I didn't mention any particular religion. You did.

It is you that seeks to conflate the discussion with irrelevancies.

What is the title of the thread? What was C.S. Lewis' religion? Who wrote the quote you were responding to? What religion was he making the case for in that quote? What is your religion? Which religion's God are you referring to when you talk about creation and the creator and God?

@secondson said
What may or may not "follow" as a result of the acknowledgment of there being a creator as evidenced in and by creation is beyond the point of my post above, and therefore irrelevant.

You quoted the New Testament three times in your post so you were obviously referring to the Christian God.

@secondson said
I didn't mention any particular religion. You did.

You quoted Romans several times and then John at least once. Aren't they part of the literature for a particular religion?

@fmf said
I have. I'm even breaking it down into component elements for you so we can easily see which parts of what you are saying you are unable to engage disagreement about.

All you've really done so far is deny the obvious fact that creation is the evidence for a creator irrespective of your attempts to side-rail the discussion with your "breaking it down into components" rhetoric.