C.S. Lewis, The Case for Christianity

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Because he is a profoundly sad individual and has nothing else to offer the forum but endless posts about 'subjective' this and 'absolute truth' that.

(An algorithm would show he uses those expressions in 89% of his posts, irrespective of the topc).

I hope you’re sleeping better at night.

@dj2becker said
I hope you’re sleeping better at night.

I hope you have become less indoctrinated since leaving your cult.

@secondson said
All you've really done so far is deny the obvious fact that creation is the evidence for a creator irrespective of your attempts to side-rail the discussion with your "breaking it down into components" rhetoric.

This begs the question.

@kevcvs57 said
Are any of the other 13 marieke’s still posting and or playing chess on this site.

I believe the first 6 Mariekes mostly spent their time trying to conquer the north face of Everest, while the following 7 were consumed with the pursuit of turning base metals into gold.

It was only the 14th Marieke whose sole occupation was being a fake account on an internet chess site to thumb down posts.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
I hope you have become less indoctrinated since leaving your cult.

Thanks I hope so too.

@fmf said
It's also "nice" to take the profoundly subjective notions one settles for, having speculated about supernatural things and aligned oneself with some form of codified superstition [a.k.a. religion], and declare them to be the "objective" basis of "absolute" truths, unbound, as you say "by any evidential requirements".

"Nice" is right. And, of course, if it makes someone feel ...[text shortened]... e assertions about it in public, they should expect some debate and discussion and dissenting views.

It’s easy for a sceptic to sit on the fence and take apart everyone everyone else’s views if they don’t commit to any views of their own.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
I believe the first 6 Mariekes mostly spent their time trying to conquer the north face of Everest, while the following 7 were consumed with the pursuit of turning base metals into gold.

It was only the 14th Marieke whose sole occupation was being a fake account on an internet chess site to thumb down posts.

As interesting as your theory is it couldn’t be further from the truth.

@dj2becker said
As interesting as your theory is it couldn’t be further from the truth.

Why are you keeping your reason for using multiple accounts - to post on this thread - secret?

According to your definition of the word, do you believe you are conducting yourself with "integrity" on this thread?

@dj2becker said
It’s easy for a sceptic to sit on the fence and take apart everyone everyone else’s views if they don’t commit to any views of their own.

My view is that none of us knows the truth about supernatural things and about the origin of the universe, assuming it has an origin, and so the likes of you and me and SecondSon and Kevcvs75 can but speculate about such things and share our perspectives.

@dj2becker said
It’s easy for a sceptic to sit on the fence and take apart everyone everyone else’s views if they don’t commit to any views of their own.

But I am committed to a view of my own.

SecondSon believes in ancient Hebrew mythology and the breakaway cult of personality religion centred on Jesus.

Meanwhile, I do not.

I don't have any mission to "take apart" Secondson's religious dogma ~ he can believe what he wants ~ instead, I constantly remind him that the assertions he makes - about the supposedly "objective truth" based on his subjective opinions and conjecture about supernatural causality - do not affect me or the reality in which I live, at least as I perceive it.

@fmf said
My view is that none of us knows the truth about supernatural things and about the origin of the universe, assuming it has an origin, and so the likes of you and me and SecondSon and Kevcvs75 can but speculate about such things and share our perspectives.

When you say ‘know’ I suppose you mean ‘can be verified to 100% certainty’ ? If not can you clarify what you mean?

@fmf said
But I am committed to a view of my own.

SecondSon believes in ancient Hebrew mythology and the breakaway cult of personality religion centred on Jesus.

Meanwhile, I do not.

I don't have any mission to "take apart" Secondson's religious dogma ~ he can believe what he wants ~ instead, I constantly remind him that the assertions he makes - about the supposedly "objective ...[text shortened]... supernatural causality - do not affect me or the reality in which I live, at least as I perceive it.

Do you have any evidence to back your views that you have committed to or are they based purely upon personal preference?

@dj2becker said
When you say ‘know’ I suppose you mean ‘can be verified to 100% certainty’ ? If not can you clarify what you mean?

My perspective on the use of the word "know" in these matters has not changed since our conversations in 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019 and earlier this year. Here you are asking me again.

We can "know" objective facts. With subjective opinions, people can believe they "know" and they can even claim they "know". But that's all.

We can "know" what the proverbial temperature is outside; we can "know" that most people in Indonesia are Muslims; but Muslims cannot "know" that they are correct about God and I cannot "know" they are incorrect.

They can, of course, believe they are correct just as I can believe they are not.

So, I have answered your question. Here's mine. Do you believe that you are conducting yourself with integrity on this thread?

@dj2becker said
Do you have any evidence to back your views that you have committed to or are they based purely upon personal preference?

I am sharing my personal perspective. That is all any of us can do when it comes to speculating and believing things about supernatural beings and phenomena.

@fmf said
Why are you keeping your reason for using multiple accounts - to post on this thread - secret?

According to your definition of the word, do you believe you are conducting yourself with "integrity" on this thread?

I have stated more than one reason why I don’t feel obligated to answer this question - it is no secret.

I have never intentionally lied here.