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Originally posted by @thinkofone
What I said was that the words and the concepts behind the words are what are important. It's not about following the "guy". It's about following the words. The "guy" is irrelevant.

I'll bet that every Christian on the planet would disagree with you.

If Jesus didn't exist, and some guy named Bob wrote all those words in the New Testament, and there were no crucifixion or resurrection, then what does that say about Christianity?

Originally posted by @chaney3
I'll bet that every Christian on the planet would disagree with you.

If Jesus didn't exist, and some guy named Bob wrote all those words in the New Testament, and there were no crucifixion or resurrection, then what does that say about Christianity?

Of course they disagree with me. Christianity was built upon the words of Paul and his followers rather than the words of Jesus.

Christianity is about the mythology wrapped around the words of Jesus. From what you've written on this forum, it seems that you have trouble buying into the mythology. It seems you find the mythology "absurd". I don't blame you. It doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

Originally posted by @thinkofone
Of course they disagree with me. Christianity was built upon the words of Paul and his followers rather than the words of Jesus.

Christianity is about the mythology wrapped around the words of Jesus. From what you've written on this forum, it seems that you have trouble buying into the mythology. It seems you find the mythology "absurd". I don't blame you. It doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

You are being cryptic with your explanations here.

Exactly how are the words of Jesus relevant, if Jesus didn't exist? Keeping in mind that your line of reasoning doesn't help with believing Bible stories. For if Jesus did not exist, then the NT is a lie.

Originally posted by @chaney3
You are being cryptic with your explanations here.

Exactly how are the words of Jesus relevant, if Jesus didn't exist? Keeping in mind that your line of reasoning doesn't help with believing Bible stories. For if Jesus did not exist, then the NT is a lie.

You are being cryptic with your explanations here.

Can you specify what you found to be cryptic?

Exactly how are the words of Jesus relevant, if Jesus didn't exist?
Not sure how to go about this, but let's try this.

Let's say that Albert Einstein never existed. Let's also say that a group of physicists worked out the theory of relativity and had published it under the name "Albert Einstein".

Would the theory of relativity be any less relevant?

Originally posted by @thinkofone
[b]You are being cryptic with your explanations here.

Can you specify what you found to be cryptic?

Exactly how are the words of Jesus relevant, if Jesus didn't exist?
Not sure how to go about this, but let's try this.

Let's say that Albert Einstein never existed. Let's also say that a group of physicists worked out the theory of rel ...[text shortened]... hed it under the name "Albert Einstein".

Would the theory of relativity be any less relevant?[/b]

In my opinion, a large amount of what Jesus said had very much to do with His relationship to 'the Father', and if it was determined that Jesus never existed, then His teachings would lose meaning.

You should create a thread about this rogue theory. I would be interested in the opinions of others, who may not be looking at this thread.

Originally posted by @chaney3
In my opinion, a large amount of what Jesus said had very much to do with His relationship to 'the Father', and if it was determined that Jesus never existed, then His teachings would lose meaning.

You should create a thread about this rogue theory. I would be interested in the opinions of others, who may not be looking at this thread.

In my opinion, a large amount of what Jesus had very much to do with His relationship to 'the Father', and if it determined that Jesus never existed, then His teachings would lose meaning.

Actually they wouldn't. Jesus wanted His followers to become "one" with God as He was "one" with God. That was the "relationship". What do you think it means to be "one" with God?

You should create a thread about this rogue theory. I would be interested in the opinions of others, who may not be looking at this thread.

Anyone who has been posting on this forum for any length of time is well aware of "this rogue theory".

Originally posted by @chaney3
You are being cryptic with your explanations here.

Exactly how are the words of Jesus relevant, if Jesus didn't exist? Keeping in mind that your line of reasoning doesn't help with believing Bible stories. For if Jesus did not exist, then the NT is a lie.

It's all about the message dude.

A good sign post sends you in the right direction. What does it matter who made the sign?

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
It's all about the message dude.

A good sign post sends you in the right direction. What does it matter who made the sign?

With regards to Jesus, it matters.

You are well versed in the Bible, stop pretending you don't understand the point.

Originally posted by @chaney3
With regards to Jesus, it matters.

You are well versed in the Bible, stop pretending you don't understand the point.

Jesus matters to Christians, sure. But his message can still matter to non-Christians.

That's the point.

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
Jesus matters to Christians, sure. But his message can still matter to non-Christians.

That's the point.

Even if Jesus never existed? That is the discussion.

If Bob wrote the NT, does it matter?

I started a new thread on this. Atheists not welcome. 🙂

Originally posted by @chaney3
Even if Jesus never existed? That is the discussion.

If Bob wrote the NT, does it matter?

I started a new thread on this. Atheists not welcome. 🙂

The people you are talking to about this do not believe in God outside of themselves. Such beliefs are inconsistent with the Bible, but they spew their falsehoods anyhow.

Originally posted by @eladar
The people you are talking to about this do not believe in God outside of themselves. Such beliefs are inconsistent with the Bible, but they spew their falsehoods anyhow.

I cannot say for sure, but I believe that ThinkOfOne believes in God.

Originally posted by @chaney3
Even if Jesus never existed? That is the discussion.

If Bob wrote the NT, does it matter?

I started a new thread on this. Atheists not welcome. 🙂

Look, as an atheist I don't believe in salvation or any of that religious malarkey. So no, for me, the existence or non-existence of Jesus is irrelevant.

Does that degrade the beauty and relevance of his core message?

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
Look, as an atheist I don't believe in salvation or any of that religious malarkey. So no, for me, the existence or non-existence of Jesus is irrelevant.

Does that degrade the beauty and relevance of his core message?

"His core message"?

Who's message? Jesus never existed. You are as bad as ThinkOfOne.

Originally posted by @chaney3
"His core message"?

Who's message? Jesus never existed. You are as bad as ThinkOfOne.

I am moved and inspired by the words of Gandalf.

Psst, he didn't exist either.