08 Aug 08
1 edit
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesI am often deeply agonized and depressed over the fact that homosexuality is a sin. I don't fully understand why it is a sin, unlike something like murder or theft, which involves the harming of another unwitting person, which I can understand being a sin.
How does it make you feel when you hear other Christians say that being gay is sinful? Are they correct?
I've never had what I would considered to be a well-thought-out Christian tell me that "being gay is sinful." They will say that homosexual acts are sinful, but not that my being gay is sinful per se.
Since I am still a (50 year old) virgin, one could I suppose ask whether I'm really "gay" at all, since even though I have homosexual desires and have never had heterosexual desires for even one second in my life, I've never acted upon them in a sex act with another person.
Anyway, that's my long-winded answer.
09 Aug 08
Originally posted by gaychessplayerThere's really no good reason why it should be considered a sin. Then again, neither should "looking at a woman to lust after her". You don't see that one stopping many straight guys.
I am often deeply agonized and depressed over the fact that homosexuality is a sin. I don't fully understand why it is a sin, unlike something like murder or theft, which involves the harming of another unwitting person, which I can understand being a sin.
I've never had what I would considered to be a well-thought-out Christian tell me tha ...[text shortened]... ed upon them in a sex act with another person.
Anyway, that's my long-winded answer.
09 Aug 08
Originally posted by gaychessplayerAs a christian, I don't have a problem with people who are gay. Sex is between 2 loving committed monogomous adults, orientation matters little
I am often deeply agonized and depressed over the fact that homosexuality is a sin. I don't fully understand why it is a sin, unlike something like murder or theft, which involves the harming of another unwitting person, which I can understand being a sin.
I've never had what I would considered to be a well-thought-out Christian tell me tha ...[text shortened]... ed upon them in a sex act with another person.
Anyway, that's my long-winded answer.
09 Aug 08
Originally posted by gaychessplayerIn my opinion it was labelled a sin because the tribes needed every person they could get to survive! More warm bodies holding weapons, tools, etc.
I am often deeply agonized and depressed over the fact that homosexuality is a sin. I don't fully understand why it is a sin, unlike something like murder or theft, which involves the harming of another unwitting person, which I can understand being a sin.
I've never had what I would considered to be a well-thought-out Christian tell me tha ...[text shortened]... ed upon them in a sex act with another person.
Anyway, that's my long-winded answer.
09 Aug 08
Originally posted by gaychessplayerIf I told you I held a set of beliefs that left me 'often deeply agonised and depressed', what would you say to me?
I am often deeply agonized and depressed over the fact that homosexuality is a sin. I don't fully understand why it is a sin, unlike something like murder or theft, which involves the harming of another unwitting person, which I can understand being a sin.
I've never had what I would considered to be a well-thought-out Christian tell me tha ...[text shortened]... ed upon them in a sex act with another person.
Anyway, that's my long-winded answer.
09 Aug 08
2 edits
Originally posted by gaychessplayerHow can homosexual acts be “sinful” (whatever exactly “sinful” and "sin" is supposed to mean) providing there are no victims from such an act? -it would be like a victimless crime.
I am often deeply agonized and depressed over the fact that homosexuality is a sin. I don't fully understand why it is a sin, unlike something like murder or theft, which involves the harming of another unwitting person, which I can understand being a sin.
I've never had what I would considered to be a well-thought-out Christian tell me tha ed upon them in a sex act with another person.
Anyway, that's my long-winded answer.
09 Aug 08
Originally posted by snowinscotlandFirst, I would express my sympathy and would perhaps feel empathy for your plight. But the ultimate test of a belief, for me anyway, isn't "does it make me feel good", but "is it true?" Having negative feelings toward a belief doesn't make it false any more than having positive feelings toward a belief makes it true. If I believe the Bible to be the Word of God, and have rational grounds for believing that it is, then as a rational being I have to accept what it says, no matter what I think about it.
If I told you I held a set of beliefs that left me 'often deeply agonised and depressed', what would you say to me?
I'll conclude with an old riddle: What's the difference between someone who is psychotic and someone who is neurotic?
Answer: The psychotic says "2+2=5", while the neurotic says "2+2=4...AND IT'S DRIVING ME CRAZY!"
09 Aug 08
3 edits
Originally posted by Andrew Hamilton"Sin" is a term borrowed from archery which means "to miss the mark." To sin is to deviate, or "miss the mark" from God's standard, which is to say, to deviate from holiness. Homosexuality is certainly a "victimless crime" in a civil-law context, but my relationship to the Holy One would be compromised by deviating from His standard of sexual holiness (which can only occur in heterosexual marriage).
How can homosexual acts be “sinful” (whatever exactly “sinful” and "sin" is supposed to mean) providing there are no victims from such an act? -it would be like a victimless crime.
09 Aug 08
1 edit
Originally posted by gaychessplayerThe etymology of "sin" is more complicated than that.
"Sin" is a term borrowed from archery which means "to miss the mark." To sin is to deviate, or "miss the mark" from God's standard, which is to say, to deviate from holiness. Homosexuality is certainly a "victimless crime" in a civil-law context, but my relationship to the Holy One would be compromised by deviating from His standard of sexual holiness (which can only occur in heterosexual marriage).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin#Etymology