Chance or by Design ?

That is a lie. You yourself fully admit to not having evaluated the evidence or even familiarised yourself with the scientific literature on the topic.

They reject the arguments on lack of empirical evidence, that being the fact that almost all mutations are destructive, that the fossil record does not demonstrate a gradual transmutation of one spe t for religious reasons alone.

[b]so stop pretending....
The only one pretending is you.[/b]

actually i have read in part Darwins own book, have you? in fact i am at page 213 of
the wordsworth classics of world literature edition. Please tell the forum , what that
particular chapter is about?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Perhaps you would like to assimilate them into the collective consciousness so that they
conform to your evaluations, given time, you might become the Borg queen and they
your minions. People do not believe in evolution, not because of a lack of education,
but because they have evaluated the evidence and are not convinced by the
arguments, d ...[text shortened]... s and jiggery pokery, full of conjecture and scientific
dogma, not falsifiable and unobserved.

i think you are flat out wrong on this robbie. regardless of who is correct about evolution or creationism. i think most people in britain do not know their bum from there elbow when it comes to the evidence. most people dont care enough to pick up a book or watch a documentary about science or religion. do you really think we live in a nation of highly educated people with a thirst for knowledge? the masses are too busy watching coronation street and reading the sun or hello magazine.

sadly we are brought up to think that when we finish school or college or uni that our education is finished, the concept of live long learning is alien to us, although its something that is slowly changing due to the nature of employment and ever changing technology, but we are still miles away from people learning for the sake of learning.

i think the viewing figures for science and religion documentaries tell you everything, unless you think millions of people are popping down to their local library and getting out 'the theory of evolution'.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
i think you are flat out wrong on this robbie. regardless of who is correct about evolution or creationism. i think most people in britain do not know their bum from there elbow when it comes to the evidence. most people dont care enough to pick up a book or watch a documentary about science or religion. do you really think we live in a nation of highly ...[text shortened]... s of people are popping down to their local library and getting out 'the theory of evolution'.

I am not talking of people in general, i am talking of those persons who reject the arguments for evolution, which presupposes that one would need to know what those arguments are in order to reject them. Its an assumption made by atheists that they do so because they are somehow blissfully unaware, which is simply a nonsense. With regard to education you are correct, I meet people all the time in my house to house ministry who profess belief in evolution but dont really know why and when pressed upon the matter are rather clueless, its like some kind of mantra they churn out.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
actually i have read in part Darwins own book, have you? in fact i am at page 213 of
the wordsworth classics of world literature edition. Please tell the forum , what that
particular chapter is about?

as i suspected, twithead, a faker and a phoney!

Originally posted by twhitehead
That is a lie. You yourself fully admit to not having evaluated the evidence or even familiarised yourself with the scientific literature on the topic.

[b]They reject the arguments on lack of empirical evidence, that being the fact that almost all mutations are destructive, that the fossil record does not demonstrate a gradual transmutation of one spe ...[text shortened]... r religious reasons alone.

[b]so stop pretending....
The only one pretending is you.[/b][/b]

I couldn't have said that better myself.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I am not talking of people in general, i am talking of those persons who reject the arguments for evolution, which presupposes that one would need to know what those arguments are in order to reject them. Its an assumption made by atheists that they do so because they are somehow blissfully unaware, which is simply a nonsense. With regard to educatio ...[text shortened]... d when pressed upon the matter are rather clueless, its like some kind of mantra they churn out.

although i think most people cant be bothered to find out the facts i think its understandable why people belief in evolution with out looking at the facts. for most people in the uk there is no other sensible alternative.

until somebody comes up with another idea, then tv, schools, papers will all follow the most plausible one which at the moment is evolution and therefore the guy on the street is going to believe what he's told to believe.

Originally posted by humy
I couldn't have said that better myself.

perhaps you could employ him as a sock puppet!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
actually i have read in part Darwins own book, have you? in fact i am at page 213 of
the wordsworth classics of world literature edition. Please tell the forum , what that
particular chapter is about?

Ermmmm, the evidence for evolution has moved on a a tad more since the 19th Century Rob.

Now remember this gem -

As a fellow man of science, you will be glad to know that i restrict my assertions to empirical scientifically established data now.

now we have this gem -

People do not believe in evolution, not because of a lack of education,
but because they have evaluated the evidence and are not convinced by the
arguments, do you understand?

Could you list the 'empirical scientific established data' you have read and critiqued to come to your conclusion?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
although i think most people cant be bothered to find out the facts i think its understandable why people belief in evolution with out looking at the facts. for most people in the uk there is no other sensible alternative.

until somebody comes up with another idea, then tv, schools, papers will all follow the most plausible one which at the moment is evolution and therefore the guy on the street is going to believe what he's told to believe.

its not sensible at all to assume that something is true simply because of popular opinion.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Perhaps you would like to assimilate them into the collective consciousness so that they
conform to your evaluations, given time, you might become the Borg queen and they
your minions. People do not believe in evolution, not because of a lack of education,
but because they have evaluated the evidence and are not convinced by the
arguments, d ...[text shortened]... s and jiggery pokery, full of conjecture and scientific
dogma, not falsifiable and unobserved.

you said:

“They reject the arguments on lack of empirical evidence “


how delusion is that! I mean, what? all those laypeople in the UK that are “confused” ( as the link said ) by evolution having actually looked at the empirical evidence for evolution and rationally evaluated the arguments for it? Oh please.
It would be a fair bet that most of those people are so ignorant as to not even know what evolution actually says and most of them would certainly not understand much about science nor be in the business of rationally evaluating scientific evidence. I should know; I have met quite a few of them. For example, my neighbour once asked me “what is evolution?” -yes, he actually didn't know!

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Ermmmm, the evidence for evolution has moved on a a tad more since the 19th Century Rob.

Now remember this gem -

As a fellow man of science, you will be glad to know that i restrict my assertions to empirical scientifically established data now.

now we have this gem -

[quote]People do not believe in evolution, not because of a empirical scientific established data' you have read and critiqued to come to your conclusion?

up to page 213 of Darwins own book, Chapter 9, titled, On the imperfection of the
geological record, have you read it? I have also read numerous internet articles from
bothe creationist and anti creationist sites, in fact, they are too numerous to mention. I
have in the past provided links to articles from New scientist magazine.

question , have you read it?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
its not sensible at all to assume that something is true simply because of popular opinion.

in that case, you should not believe there is a god.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
up to page 213 of Darwins own book, Chapter 9, titled, On the imperfection of the
geological record, have you read it? I have also read numerous internet articles from
bothe creationist and anti creationist sites, in fact, they are too numerous to mention. I
have in the past provided links to articles from New scientist magazine.

question , have you read it?

up to page 213 of Darwins own book, Chapter 9, titled, On the imperfection of the
geological record, have you read it?

I take it you have read it and learned nothing.

Incidental, modern evolutionary scientists don't use Darwin's book as a reference to modern evolution theory because it is widely if not university accepted that Darwin didn't get it all right -he just got most of it right.
For example, he didn't know about punctuated evolution and wrongly assumed that evolutionary change occurs at a constant continuous speed -we now know this assumption to be false.

Originally posted by humy
in that case, you should not believe there is a god.

on the contrary i see plenty of evidence of design and intelligence from observing the
natural world, in fact, to conclude that it was the product of chance is both
mathematically improbable and ludicrous to boot. Its not my fault you have limited
your search for truth to unintelligent agencies, is it, perhaps its a reflection of your
dogma, who can say?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
up to page 213 of Darwins own book, Chapter 9, titled, On the imperfection of the
geological record, have you read it? I have also read numerous internet articles from
bothe creationist and anti creationist sites, in fact, they are too numerous to mention. I
have in the past provided links to articles from New scientist magazine.

question , have you read it?

Answer - not yet.

Question - Are you ready to take up the book challenge yet?

Could you provide a link or two for articles you have read concerning the evidence for evolution please?