06 Nov 12
Originally posted by divegeesterSince there is no election or voting, I guess the devil must decide. Who else would refuse giving blood to save someone's life. The devil comes to kill, steal, and destroy and he is the great deceiver.
How did the persons who decide who the persons are who sit on the Governing Body elected/chosen and by whom?
06 Nov 12
Originally posted by galveston75I wrote that wrong. 4 out of 5 DON'T count according to Fox News..
So you think your voting really makes a differance especially with this election for Prez?
It's the electorial college votes that determines who gets in and that's usually decided in the first two time zones. All you need is I think 270 and once that's done it doesn't matter about the popular votes you make. I heard today that 4 out of 5 votes cast by the public actually count.
07 Nov 12
Originally posted by RJHindsactually the become qualified by meeting the requirements for elders in the Bible.
Since there is no election or voting, I guess the devil must decide. Who else would refuse giving blood to save someone's life. The devil comes to kill, steal, and destroy and he is the great deceiver.
07 Nov 12
Originally posted by RJHindsTell me this...
Since there is no election or voting, I guess the devil must decide. Who else would refuse giving blood to save someone's life. The devil comes to kill, steal, and destroy and he is the great deceiver.
Prove to me beyond any doubt that you know God is not in anyway working with the Witnesses?
Prove to me that you know beyond a doubt who God is actually working with? If that is with you and your, to quote "redneck way" that he is working with you, I want the proof.
No slipping away or changing the subject in anyway. Show me the proof that you have that God is in no way working with us, NOW, and I will walk away this day from being a JW.
Go for it or shut up and go make you some moonshine or something..
07 Nov 12
Originally posted by galveston75RJH where are you?
Tell me this...
Prove to me beyond any doubt that you know God is not in anyway working with the Witnesses?
Prove to me that you know beyond a doubt who God is actually working with? If that is with you and your, to quote "redneck way" that he is working with you, I want the proof.
No slipping away or changing the subject in anyway. Show me t ...[text shortened]... s day from being a JW.
Go for it or shut up and go make you some moonshine or something..
07 Nov 12
Originally posted by galveston75Proof that the Watchtower Society does not speak for God.
Tell me this...
Prove to me beyond any doubt that you know God is not in anyway working with the Witnesses?
Prove to me that you know beyond a doubt who God is actually working with? If that is with you and your, to quote "redneck way" that he is working with you, I want the proof.
No slipping away or changing the subject in anyway. Show me t ...[text shortened]... s day from being a JW.
Go for it or shut up and go make you some moonshine or something..
"Christ came in the character of a Bridegroom in 1874.... at the beginning of the Gospel harvest." (Watchtower, Oct 1879, p. 4)
"In this chapter we present the Bible evidence proving that the full end of the times of the gentiles, i.e., the full end of their lease of dominion, will be reached in A.D. 1914; and that the date will be the farthest limit of the rule of imperfect men. And be it observed, that if this is shown to be a fact firmly established by the Scriptures, it will prove; Firstly, that at that date the Kingdom of God, for which our Lord taught us to pray, saying, Thy Kingdom come, will obtain full, universal control, and that it will then be set up, or firmly established, in the earth, on the ruins of present institutions." (The Time Is At Hand, 1888, p. 76, 77)
"Be not surprised, then, when in subsequent chapters we present proofs that the setting up of the Kingdom of God is already begun, that it is pointed out in prophecy as due to begin the exercise of power in A.D. 1878, and that the 'battle of the great day of God Almighty (Rev. 16:14) which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced. The gathering of the armies is plainly visible from the standpoint of God's word." (Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 2, The Time Is At Hand, 1889 Ed., p. 101. The 1915 Edition of this texts changed "A.D. 1914" to read 'A.D. 1915'😉
"Here we furnish the evidence that from the creation of Adam to (but not including) A.D. 1873 was six thousand years. And though the Bible contains no direct statement that the seventh thousand will be the epoch of Christ's reign, the great Sabbath Day of restitution to the world, yet the venerable tradition is not without a reasonable foundation." (Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 2, p. 39. 1889)
"If, then, the seventh thousand-year period of earth's history be an epoch specially noted as the period of Christ's reign, we shall by showing that it began in 1873, be proving that we are already in it." (Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 2, p. 40. 1889)
"In the coming 26 years, all present governments will be overthrown and dissolved." (C.T. Russell, Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 2, p. 98-99, 1889)
"Remember that the forty years' Jewish Harvest ended October A.D. 69, and was followed by the complete overthrow of that nation; and that likewise the forty years of the Gospel age harvest will end October, 1914, and that likewise the overthrow of 'Christendom,' so-called, must be expected to immediately follow." (Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 2, p. 245)
"A few more years will wind up the present order of things, and then the chastened world will stand face to face with the actual conditions of the established Kingdom of God. And yet the course of the Church is to be finished within the space of time that intervenes." (Watchtower p. 56, 1894)
"In view of this strong Bible evidence concerning the Times of the Gentiles, we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the kingdom of God, will be accomplished by the end of A.D. 1914." (The Time Is At Hand, 1902 edition, p. 99)
"According to our expectations the stress of the great time of trouble will be on us soon, somewhere between 1910 and 1912, culminating with the end of the 'Times of the Gentiles,' October, 1914." (The New Creation, Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 6, p. 579, 1904)
"Studying God's Word, we have measured the 2520 years, the seven symbolic times, from that year 606 B.C. and have found that it reached down to October, 1914, as nearly as we were able to reckon. We did not say positively that this would be the year." (Watchtower, November 1, 1914, p. 325)
"We see no reason for doubting, therefore, that the Times of the Gentiles ended in October, 1914; and that a few more years will witness their utter collapse and the full establishment of God's kingdom in the hands of Messiah." (Watchtower Reprints, VI, Sept 1, 1916, p. 5950
"A simple calculation of these jubilees brings us to this important fact: Seventy jubilees of fifty years each would be a total of 3500 years. That period of time beginning 1575 before A.D. 1 of necessity would end in the fall of 1925, at which time the type ends and the great antitype must begin. What, then, should we expect to take palace? In the type there must be a full restoration; beginning of restoration of all things. The chief thing to be restored is the human race to life; and since other Scriptures definitely fix the fact that there will be a resurrection of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and other faithful ones of old, and that these will have the first favor, we may expect 1925 to witness the return of these faithful men and Israel from the condition of death, being resurrected and fully restored to perfect humanity and made the visible, legal representatives of the new order of things on earth." (Millions now living will never die, 1920 p 89-90)
"We have no doubt whatever in regard to the chronology relating to the dates of 1874, 1914, 1918, and 1925. It was on this line of reckoning that the dates 1874, 1914, and 1918 were located; and the Lord has placed the stamp of his seal upon 1914 and 1918 beyond any possibility of erasure. What further evidence do we need? Using this same measuring line.... it is an easy matter to locate 1925, probably in the fall, for the beginning of the antitypical jubilee. There can be no more question about 1925 than there was about 1914." (Watchtower, p. 150, May 15, 1922)
"Some anticipated that the work would end in 1925, but the Lord did not state so. The difficulty was that the friends inflated their imaginations beyond reason; and that when their imaginations burst asunder, they were inclined to throw away everything." (Watchtower 1926 p. 232.)
"There was a measure of disappointment on the part of Jehovah's faithful ones on earth concerning the years 1914, 1918 and 1925, which disappointment lasted for a time. Later the faithful learned that these dates were definitely fixed in the Scriptures; and they also learned to quit fixing dates for the future and predicting what would come to pass on a certain date, but to rely (and they do rely) upon the Word of God as to the events that must come to pass." (J. F. Rutherford, Vindication, 1931, p. 338-339)
"As far back as 1880 The Watchtower pointed to A.D. 1914 as the date marking the end of the world, at which time great trouble would come upon the nations; but at that time it was not seen by God's people on earth that the trouble would be the battle of Jehovah against Satan's organization. For many years it was believed by them, and so stated in The Watchtower, that "the time of trouble" would be a terrific clash between the various elements of the earth, such as capital and labor. Not until 1925 was "the time of trouble" Scripturally understood." (Watchtower, p. 35, Feb 1, 1938)
"Now, with Armageddon immediately before us, it is a matter of life or destruction. Those who would be of the Lords other sheep that shall compose the great multitude of Armageddon survivors and live joyfully on earth forever must find the answer to a very personal question, and very important." (Watchtower, April 1, 1942, p. 139)
"According to this trustworthy Bible chronology six thousand years from man's creation will end in 1975, and the seventh period of a thousand years of human history will begin in the fall of 1975 C.E Six thousand years of man's existence on earth will soon be up, yea within this generation. The rein of Christ...to run parallel with the 7th millennium ..." (Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God, 1966, p. 29-30)
"It may be that some who have been serving God have planned their lives according to a mistaken view of just what was to happen on a certain date or in a certain year. They may have, for this reason, put off or neglected things that they otherwise would have cared for. But they have missed the point of the Bibles warnings concerning the end of this system of things, thinking that Bible chronology reveals the specific date." (Watchtower, July 15, 1976, p. 440)
07 Nov 12
Originally posted by RJHindsLol. This proves nothing. If it shows anything it shows we are always learning and progressing "just as the Bible said the process would be".
Proof that the Watchtower Society does not speak for God.
"Christ came in the character of a Bridegroom in 1874.... at the beginning of the Gospel harvest." (Watchtower, Oct 1879, p. 4)
"In this chapter we present the Bible evidence proving that the full end of the times of the gentiles, i.e., the full end of their lease of dominion, will be reached i ...[text shortened]... htower, July 15, 1976, p. 440)
Don't even go there with saying we've made mistakes and it just can't be yall that God is helping as all of God's people has made mistakes even the apostles.
Zero on that try and your going to have to do a whole lot better then that.
Now again, one more try for you to show proof that God is not working thru us.
Do what you have to and I'd suggest praying to him as you claim to be so blessed. I'm sure he'll give you the proof needed to make me walk away from this organization. I'll be waiting.