09 Aug 10
Originally posted by AThousandYoungSame thing with gluttony. Evidently all the teaching that Jesus did against hypocrisy was meaningless to them.
How come so many Christians lash out at homosexuals while ignoring greed? Some of the greediest people I've met were members of the Religious Right.
09 Aug 10
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungSeeing other' sins is easier than seeing their own.
How come so many Christians lash out at homosexuals while ignoring greed? Some of the greediest people I've met were members of the Religious Right.
Other than that, there is some deep psycological repulsion towards homosexuality, possibly because, deep down, everyone shares similar thoughts about sexuality.
The gays can just handle it better in general.
I bet they dont think its as bad to have sex out of wedlock than to be gay.
09 Aug 10
Originally posted by karoly aczelFornication is fornication. Sex outside of marriage.....
Seeing other' sins is easier than seeing their own.
Other than that, there is some deep psycological repulsion towards homosexuality, possibly because, deep down, everyone shares similar thoughts about sexuality.
The gays can just handle it better in general.
I bet they dont think its as bad to have sex out of wedlock than to be gay.
09 Aug 10
Originally posted by AThousandYoungBecause they've remained babies since their point in time spiritual birth (acceptance
How come so many Christians lash out at homosexuals while ignoring greed? Some of the greediest people I've met were members of the Religious Right.
of the gift of eternal salvation through faith alone in Christ alone) and never grew up.
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10 Aug 10
Originally posted by galveston75And what is marriage? A piece of paper? Really? If you have kids you just want to do the best by them. Just because you didn't spend 10K on a wedding doesn't mean you are going to be any lesser parents than if you had.
Fornication is fornication. Sex outside of marriage.....
10 Aug 10
Originally posted by galveston75thank you for explaining what fornication is, we have no dictionaries.
Fornication is fornication. Sex outside of marriage.....
on a side note, the gays would love nothing more than to get married and have sex inside marriage. yet you deny that to them. then who's fault is it they have sex outside of marriage?
on a side side note, you missed the point of this thread. many gays are in love, never hurt anyone, and may even give to charity and odd enough, may even be religious. their only "flaw" is that they practice surprise butsex once in a while. so what the OP of this thread is trying to say is, why pay so much attention to the gays while there are so many rapists and murderers out there? i don't see you advocating to have the rapists rights restricted or removed.
17 Aug 10
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Originally posted by karoly aczelGood point.
And what is marriage? A piece of paper? Really? If you have kids you just want to do the best by them. Just because you didn't spend 10K on a wedding doesn't mean you are going to be any lesser parents than if you had.
I often questioned the point of marriage. Marriage is just an archaic religious ceremony ( -ignoring what difference it makes to your state-benefits –which brings up another point; why should partners be penalised for not getting married? ) that doesn’t confirm/prove commitment to your partner and is often completely meaningless to atheists that make love.
17 Aug 10
Originally posted by Andrew HamiltonMarriage is most definitely not "just an archaic religious ceremony".
Good point.
I often questioned the point of marriage. Marriage is just an archaic religious ceremony ( -ignoring what difference it makes to your state-benefits –which brings up another point; why should partners be penalised for not getting married? ) that doesn’t confirm/prove commitment to your partner and is often completely meaningless to atheists that make love.
It is many things, including:
1. a legally binding contract, which can to some extent protect the rights of the partners and their children.
2. an official recognition of a relationship. This is much bigger than you might realize if you have not been married. In many ways, a marriage involves the parents and other family members of the couple as much as it involves the couple as it causes them to recognize the relationship as being permanent, and the two families become related etc.
3. a commitment by the two people getting married.
4. a declaration to others that your spouse is 'off limits'.
Of course, not all marriages involve all of the above. It is perfectly possible to get married in secret, or for purely legal reasons, or without any real commitment etc.
But for most people marriage is far more significant than "an archaic religious ceremony".
And in my case, there have never been any state benefits for being married.
17 Aug 10
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Originally posted by twhiteheadAll those points stem from an "archaic religious ceremony". That is where the foundations of marriage come from. Nothing to stop people having committed relationships without marriage.
Marriage is most definitely not "just an archaic religious ceremony".
It is many things, including:
1. a legally binding contract, which can to some extent protect the rights of the partners and their children.
2. an official recognition of a relationship. This is much bigger than you might realize if you have not been married. In many ways, a marriage us ceremony".
And in my case, there have never been any state benefits for being married.
Getting a divorce is a pain only because the law makes it so, and these laws stem from religious reasons as well (death do us part).
It is like having document describing a religion and putting a stamp on it to make it "official". I can understand why people would get married for convenience because of the law and peer pressure from families, but that is all it really is.
17 Aug 10
Originally posted by twhitehead"An official recognition of a relationship". To me, if I see a couple with kids thats an official recognition. People dont go around with their marriage licenses pinned to their chest.
Marriage is most definitely not "just an archaic religious ceremony".
It is many things, including:
1. a legally binding contract, which can to some extent protect the rights of the partners and their children.
2. an official recognition of a relationship. This is much bigger than you might realize if you have not been married. In many ways, a marriage ...[text shortened]... us ceremony".
And in my case, there have never been any state benefits for being married.
What I'm trying to get at here is that body language is a much stronger indicator of how good/strong a relationship is rather than a piece of paper.
17 Aug 10
Originally posted by lauseyThats simply not true. Marriage is more of a custom than a religious practice. Almost all societies have that custom regardless of their religion or lack of one. True most religions make marriage into a religious ceremony, but it remains largely custom.
All those points stem from an "archaic religious ceremony". That is where the foundations of marriage come from.
Nothing to stop people having committed relationships without marriage.
No there isn't. But as I pointed out, marriage is a lot more than 'having a committed relationship'.
Getting a divorce is a pain only because the law makes it so, and these laws stem from religious reasons as well (death do us part).
Getting a divorce is a pain regardless of the law. I know, I have gone through what is essentially a non-legal divorce. (I am still legally married).
Again, the legal part of it is not mostly religious. Its a recognition that marriage is a partnership and when that partnership is broken up certain rights need to be recognized and dealt with fairly (shared property, lost earnings etc).
It is like having document describing a religion and putting a stamp on it to make it "official". I can understand why people would get married for convenience because of the law and peer pressure from families, but that is all it really is.
Maybe in some societies it is different. But where I come from, marriage makes your respective families a much larger part of the relationship.
Even after a divorce, your ex-wife or ex-husband is still given much more recognition than an ex-boyfriend or ex-girlfriend. Relationships are formed between the two families involved and they may persist long after the marriage dissolves. All this may apply to a 'committed relationship' but a marriage tends to make the bond firmer and as I keep saying 'officially recognized'.
17 Aug 10
Originally posted by karoly aczelAnd if they don't have kids?
"An official recognition of a relationship". To me, if I see a couple with kids thats an official recognition.
People dont go around with their marriage licenses pinned to their chest.
Most put it on their finger - after having a massive ceremony to which all interested parties are invited. Come on! Do people where you come from all marry in secret and not wear wedding bands?
What I'm trying to get at here is that body language is a much stronger indicator of how good/strong a relationship is rather than a piece of paper.
The piece of paper is largely irrelevant - except for legal reasons. And as I said, marriage is far more than an attempt at indicating how strong a relationship is. Its far more than a commitment. Its about telling your parents about your commitment, its about telling her parents about your commitment, its about telling all your friends about your commitment. Getting married is different from other relationships in that it involves others.