04 Jun 18
Originally posted by @fmfAverage household income is about 60k in the US. I know someone who makes about 22k + benefits to sit at home and wait for the gov't checks to arrive in the mail. Since evidently that's not good enough, I'm wondering what the number should be.
Boy, oh boy, if this is really what Suzianne thinks should be done, it's going to be really easy to criticize and dismiss. 50 or 60 grand? Gosh.
04 Jun 18
Originally posted by @tom-wolseySo, Suzianne thinks the government should pay "sluggards" $50,000 or $60,000 grand a year to stay home and do nothing? Did she say this on this forum or on the Debates Forum?
Average household income is about 60k in the US. I know someone who makes about 22k + benefits to sit at home and wait for the gov't checks to arrive in the mail. Since evidently that's not good enough, I'm wondering what the number should be.
04 Jun 18
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeThe poll clearly measures differences in political thought.
Nearly half of all Christians in the United States think that a person's poverty is due to lack of effort.
A poll by The Washington Post and the Kaiser Family Foundation found that 46 percent of Christians see poverty as the result of individual failings.
"There's a strong Christian impulse to understand poverty as deeply rooted in morality — ...[text shortened]... /publications/freethought-today/item/30451-christians-are-more-likely-to-blame-poverty-on-effort
A significant amount of Christians are more likely to endorse the more conservative party which traditionally believes in the fairness and justness of the marketplace.
It is also worth noting that it is highly unlikely that the half of Christians who believe that poverty is due to lack of effort believe that it is due to lack of effort in every single circumstance, and are personally without a charitable bone in any part of their body.
Likewise, it is also cartoonish to think that the unaffiliated would believe that there were no circumstances where lack of effort resulted in poverty.
It's a highly deceptive news article.
However, I think Ghost of a Duke is merely bringing up a topic for discussion so there is no point in really attacking him harshly over it.
04 Jun 18
Originally posted by @fmfNope.
So, Suzianne thinks the government should pay "sluggards" $50,000 or $60,000 grand a year to stay home and do nothing? Did she say this on this forum or on the Debates Forum?
04 Jun 18
Originally posted by @tom-wolseySo your $50,000-$60,000 thing is just something you made up so that you could criticize it. You came up with the $50,000-$60,000 figure, not Suzianne, right?
Nope.
Originally posted by @fmfI posed, as a question, something in the range of the average household income. It wasn't a dishonest ploy to make something up that I can criticize. Though I can see why you would think it was--because that's the way you operate.
So your $50,000-$60,000 thing is just something you made up so that you could criticize it. You came up with the $50,000-$60,000 figure, not Suzianne, right?
04 Jun 18
Originally posted by @tom-wolseyWhere did Suzianne propose that "the average household income" [$50,000-$60,000] should be paid to "sluggards" for staying at home doing nothing?
I posed, as a question, something in the range of the average household income. It wasn't a dishonest ploy to make something up that I can criticize. Though I can see why you would think it was--because that's the way you operate.
04 Jun 18
Originally posted by @fmfThat question has already been asked, and answered. Your constant harassment of others is well documented. I'll pick this back up with Suzianne herself. Your distractions will be ignored.
Where did Suzianne propose that "the average household income" [$50,000-$60,000] should be paid to "sluggards" for staying at home doing nothing?
04 Jun 18
Originally posted by @tom-wolseyWhere did Suzianne propose that "the average household income" should be paid to people staying at home doing nothing? Gosh, you should have no trouble dismantling that proposal. In which post did she make it?
That question has already been asked, and answered. Your constant harassment of others is well documented. I'll pick this back up with Suzianne herself. Your distractions will be ignored.
04 Jun 18
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Originally posted by @tom-wolseyWhy do you insist on blaming the victim?
Because if we are going to be honest, we must admit that poverty is a condition that cannot be wiped out entirely. Again, there are multiple causes for poverty and some of those causes are self-inflicted. You can't permanently prevent people from inflicting damage upon themselves or making poor decisions. I know by first-hand witness, there are people ...[text shortened]... at by your standards, we should pay sluggards 50 or 60 grand a year to stay home and do nothing?
Remember, the rich are lost already.
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Originally posted by @fmfThey can't be that conservative if they're having that many beers with you.
I've met some wealthy conservative American tourists over the years who have started blabbering on after a few beers about how their wealth was God's direct reward for being virtuous and for their strong faith. And then a beer or two later... blabbering on about how poverty is caused by a lack of virtue and faith. Interesting people to talk to, for sure.
07 Jun 18
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"The materialism of affluent Christian countries appears to contradict the claims of Jesus Christ that says it’s not possible to worship both Mammon and God at the same time."
For the most part, Christianity has little to do with the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry. The fruits of the self-serving beliefs that underpin Christianity are Christians whose world-view is also self-serving.
07 Jun 18
Originally posted by @suzianneWhy do you insist that everyone who holds their hand out asking for something free, is in dire need for reasons that are beyond their own control? As stated earlier, I know someone first hand who is perfectly capable of working and sits at home waiting for the gov't checks to hit the mailbox.
Why do you insist on blaming the victim?
Remember, the rich are lost already.
I never, ever suggested that every person in poverty deserves it or is totally at fault for their situation. But likewise, you should acknowledge that there are many who take advantage of government handouts.
Originally posted by @tom-wolseyAnyone with true compassion and love for his neighbor cares not about the reasons their neighbor needs help, but only that they need help.
Why do you insist that everyone who holds their hand out asking for something free, is in dire need for reasons that are beyond their own control? As stated earlier, I know someone first hand who is perfectly capable of working and sits at home waiting for the gov't checks to hit the mailbox.
I never, ever suggested that every person in poverty des ...[text shortened]... likewise, you should acknowledge that there are many who take advantage of government handouts.
“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
― Mahatma Gandhi
For the most part, Christianity has little to do with the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry. The fruits of the self-serving beliefs that underpin Christianity are Christians whose world-view is also self-serving.