04 May 21
@bigdoggproblem saidi. Cultural Marxism does not have to explicitly be Marxist in the sense that it is clearly connected back to an explicitly Communist ideology. It generally refers to any attempts at overturning traditional hierarchies and identities.
@Philokalia
How would you define "cultural Marxism"?
And on 4, instead of 'enumerating', can you provide one example?
Cultural Marxism, indeed, will attack every kind of identity, and be a force essentially of hypermodernity. That is to say, the desire to push beyond even the very normal 20th century liberal democracies that we are familiar with, which are based on individual rights and checks and balances, and move towards identity politics and egalitarianism.
ii. This isn't useful because we know how these debates always go; it just becomes a debate about what actually constitutes a right. Not interested.
04 May 21
@philokalia saidDo you dispute this definition from wiki?
i. Cultural Marxism does not have to explicitly be Marxist in the sense that it is clearly connected back to an explicitly Communist ideology. It generally refers to any attempts at overturning traditional hierarchies and identities.
Cultural Marxism is a far-right antisemitic conspiracy theory which claims Western Marxism as the basis of continuing academic and intellectual efforts to subvert Western culture.
@philokalia saidThis has a whiff of cowardice about it. The matter in hand is the claim that Christians are being backed into a corner and you think they ARE but you don't want to give any examples?
ii. This isn't useful because we know how these debates always go; it just becomes a debate about what actually constitutes a right. Not interested.
04 May 21
@philokalia saidAnd you have made no secret about your views on "rights" and "freedoms".
ii. This isn't useful because we know how these debates always go; it just becomes a debate about what actually constitutes a right. Not interested.
Here are some quotes to add flesh to the vision of yours I am alluding to:
"I do not really believe in some society with some extensive network of "rights" and "freedoms," so whatever "discrimination" means to you would not have similar parallels to me.
"So what are these "rights?" They are a clumsy obstacle to discussing politics in the 21st century. Not that I disagree with "rights," I know how important it is for me to pay homage to the sacred cow."
"We are ascribing "rights" to agents that have no sense of duty, nor have been integrated as productive factors into the society in any way."
"I prefer to think along the lines of duties and practical consequences than rights. And I refuse to pretend that every person in the society has to be treated with the assumption that their citizenship is valuable and wanted."
All verbatim.
04 May 21
@fmf saidCorrect
And you have made no secret about your views on "rights" and "freedoms".
Here are some quotes to add flesh to the vision of yours I am alluding to:
"I do not really believe in some society with some extensive network of "rights" and "freedoms," so whatever "discrimination" means to you would not have similar parallels to me.
"So what are these "rights?" They are a clu ...[text shortened]... be treated with the assumption that their citizenship is valuable and wanted."
All verbatim.
04 May 21
@fmf saidIt's a politically motivated definition from a source that isn't trustworthy; one of tis co-founders has even stated that it is no longer free of bias.
Do you dispute this definition from wiki?
Cultural Marxism is a far-right antisemitic conspiracy theory which claims Western Marxism as the basis of continuing academic and intellectual efforts to subvert Western culture.
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/05/26/wikipedia-co-founder-sites-neutrality-is-dead-thanks-to-leftist-bias/
@fmf saidI'm familiar with how people argue against the examples, usually in bad faith, and I am not interested in interacting with that.
This has a whiff of cowardice about it. The matter in hand is the claim that Christians are being backed into a corner and you think they ARE but you don't want to give any examples?
@philokalia saidTo endorse the claim that Christians are being backed into a corner and then not give any examples is pretty much a textbook example of "arguing" in bad faith.
I'm familiar with how people argue against the examples, usually in bad faith, and I am not interested in interacting with that.
@philokalia saidWhat do you dispute about the definition from wiki?
It's a politically motivated definition from a source that isn't trustworthy; one of tis co-founders has even stated that it is no longer free of bias.
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/05/26/wikipedia-co-founder-sites-neutrality-is-dead-thanks-to-leftist-bias/
04 May 21
@philokalia saidSurely, some traditional hierarchies must be flawed, even if others are sound. It follows that overturning the flawed ones is a worthy goal.
i. Cultural Marxism does not have to explicitly be Marxist in the sense that it is clearly connected back to an explicitly Communist ideology. It generally refers to any attempts at overturning traditional hierarchies and identities.
Cultural Marxism, indeed, will attack every kind of identity, and be a force essentially of hypermodernity. That is to say, ...[text shortened]... debates always go; it just becomes a debate about what actually constitutes a right. Not interested.
Your 2nd paragraph is extremely vague, such that there is nothing to engage. Perhaps that is exactly what you aim for in your posts here?
05 May 21
@sonship saidBah. He was never truly an atheist in the first place! 🤣
Sometimes there's a good view from the corner.
How the world's leading atheist changed his mind about God
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc-3QVEkfbM&ab_channel=BloggingTheology