Originally posted by twhiteheadYes, I meant bearing. 😳
He intended "Christians, ..." meaning that he was addressing other Christians who since they would be wearing their secret decoder rings would have understood the rest of the sentence. 😉 However, he also intended 'Witness' with a capital, making it a proper noun and referring to the particular activity of Christians bearing (not bareing) witness to others as in telling other people that they have witnessed something.
Thanks, finally, for the explanation. So, telling me about Jesus and all that
should change my line of thought and save me from the fires of hell? And
they call that to bear witness? Now, the links provides a way to save
homosexuals? I get it now. I doubt it works, but I get it.
Thank you for not treating me like a complete fool, but explaining it
properly. And thanks to acemaster for also explaining calmly. I really didn't
understand that one. 🙂
Well, I watched part of that stuff. I was a bit surprised about a quote from 1 Corinthians 6:9 which referred directly to homosexuals. So I looked it up in my German bible. The word used is "Knabenschänder", which doesn't refer to sex between male adults, but sexual abuse of boys. This caused me to do some more research, looking for the original and the meaning of the words used there. It turns out to be rather complicated; the words Paulus used, "malakoi" and "arsenokoitai" are rather uncommon, and they can have different meanings. Here's an article discussing them in some detail: http://www.futurechurch.co.za/item/homosexuality-3-the-new-testament-1-corinthians-6-9-10-and-1-timothy-1-9-11/category/6
That article concludes that most likely Paulus was condemning all kinds of abusive sexual relationships, rather than all homosexual activity.
Originally posted by SharpeMotherHe'd have to understand first before he is able to agree. Try sticking to monosyllabic words and regurgitated cliches, that will help the communication along a little.
I agree with you - one must first accept Christ as their Savior before one can merit God Grace. God's love for all humanity does not eliminate His hate for sin and His inability to tolerate it. 🙂 Do you agree?
Originally posted by NordlysYes, there are always some tricky issues with translation of words. Not just here, either. A lay preacher at my church who is something of an expert on ancient Hebrew is frequently lamenting the quality of the English translations that we use on daily basis.
Well, I watched part of that stuff. I was a bit surprised about a quote from 1 Corinthians 6:9 which referred directly to homosexuals. So I looked it up in my German bible. The word used is "Knabenschänder", which doesn't refer to sex between male adults, but sexual abuse of boys. This caused me to do some more research, looking for the original and the mean ...[text shortened]... ndemning all kinds of abusive sexual relationships, rather than all homosexual activity.
Originally posted by RBHILLYou're right in the sense that good ol' Kirk and Ray are trying to get other Christians to see that, from a Christian perspective, homosexual activity is just another inconspicuous branch in the great tree of sin (at least I think that was the analogy that Kirk used).
Kirk does explain in the Video that all sex outside of marriage is sin, even lusting after someone in your mind.
But the problem with Christian (non-)arguments in this area is that they all rest on the false assertion that homosexual activity is categorically wrong. In reality there are homosexuals who are sexually responsible: so with respect to at least this group, I think you and Kirk and all your evangelical buddies should MYOFB.
By the way, RB, Kirk is coming to Nick@Nite along with Boner and the rest. Next week I think. Can't wait to see him in a more secular role.